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Just wanted to add that we've had classroom pets in our Montessori school for years and have always deducted their expenses. Our accountant files them under educational supplies/materials since caring for the animals is part of our practical life curriculum. Make sure you keep really good records though. Our hamster needed emergency surgery last year ($650!) and we needed to document how it was a necessary business expense rather than a personal pet expense. Photos of the animal in the classroom, curriculum plans that include the pets, etc. are all helpful documentation.
Thanks for sharing your experience! Do you separate out different types of expenses (like initial purchase vs. ongoing care) or just lump everything together under educational supplies?
We actually do separate the expenses into different categories. The initial purchase of the animal goes under "Equipment" since it's like acquiring a new business asset. Ongoing expenses like food, bedding, and regular checkups go under "Educational Supplies" since they're consumable items related to our curriculum. For larger vet expenses like that emergency surgery, we categorize it under "Repairs and Maintenance" - similar to how you'd categorize fixing a broken piece of classroom equipment. Our accountant said this approach gives us cleaner books and is easier to defend in case of an audit.
Something to consider - depending on the size/value of the expense, you might want to depreciate the cost of acquiring the dogs rather than deducting it all at once. My accountant had me do this for our therapy animals since they were expensive purebreds with training.
That's actually a really good point. The IRS considers animals to be property, so more expensive animals might need to be capitalized. What threshold did your accountant use for deciding to depreciate vs. expense?
Just to add another perspective - if you're expecting a refund, you have up to 3 years from the original due date to file and still get your money back. So for 2023 taxes, you have until April 15, 2027. After that, you lose your refund. But if you owe money, you should file ASAP to minimize penalties and interest which start accumulating from the original due date (April 15, 2024).
Thank you so much for mentioning this! I am pretty sure I'll be getting a refund based on my withholding, but I didn't realize there was actually a 3-year window. That takes some pressure off, though I still want to get this done soon. Do you know if the refund amount stays the same over those 3 years, or does it increase with interest or anything?
Unfortunately, the IRS doesn't pay interest on refunds if you file late. The refund amount stays exactly the same whether you file on time or 2 years late. That's actually why it's always best to file on time even if you're getting a refund - you're essentially giving the IRS an interest-free loan of your money for however long you delay.
Has anyone used freetaxusa for late filing specifically? Is there anything special I need to know about using it for late returns? I'm in a similar boat but worried the software might be different somehow for late filers.
One thing nobody has mentioned is that Section 179 doesn't have to be all-or-nothing. You can choose to take just a portion as Section 179 and depreciate the rest normally. This has helped me with tax planning in my small fabrication shop. For example, last year I bought a CNC machine for $32,000 but only took $20,000 as Section 179 and am depreciating the remaining $12,000. This gave me immediate tax savings while still leaving some depreciation deductions for future years. Might be worth considering in your situation.
That's actually really helpful - I had no idea you could split it up like that! How do you decide what portion to take as Section 179 vs regular depreciation? Is there a formula or rule of thumb?
I basically look at my projected income for the year and figure out how much deduction I need to keep myself in a favorable tax bracket. If taking the full Section 179 would push me too far down or waste the deduction, I'll split it up. For most small businesses, it makes sense to take enough Section 179 to get your income to a target level, then save the rest for future years when you might need the deductions more. Your accountant should be able to model this with your specific numbers. It gives you more flexibility than the all-or-nothing approach most people think is required.
Just a warning from someone who made this mistake - remember that Section 179 requires the equipment to be used more than 50% for business. I took Section 179 on a truck that later became more of a personal vehicle, and got hit with a nasty recapture tax bill. Make sure that mower stays in business use!
Oof, that's rough. How did the IRS find out about the usage change? Did you get audited or was there some kind of reporting requirement I should know about?
Whatever you do, DON'T ignore this. I made that mistake and ended up owing way more in penalties and interest. Face it head-on, even if it's scary.
Thanks for the advice. Yeah, I'm definitely trying to tackle this now before it gets even worse.
Ahooker-Equator
Don't forget you might need to file a Schedule SE for self-employment tax if your LLC starts making profit. Even though you haven't made money yet, it's good to be prepared for when you do. Also, check if your state requires additional filings for LLCs even with no income - some states have annual LLC fees or reports regardless of profit.
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Anderson Prospero
ā¢Is it true that if your LLC makes less than $400 in a year, you don't have to pay self-employment tax? I heard that somewhere but not sure if it's accurate.
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Ahooker-Equator
ā¢Yes, that's correct. If your net earnings from self-employment are less than $400 for the year, you don't have to pay self-employment tax. However, you still need to report the income on your tax return regardless of the amount. Be aware that even if you don't owe self-employment tax, you might still need to file other forms related to your business activities depending on your situation. And some states do have minimum tax requirements for LLCs regardless of income, so always check your specific state rules.
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Tyrone Hill
One thing nobody mentioned - make sure you're tracking your business miles from day one even with no income! I drive to networking events, meetings, supply stores etc for my LLC and those miles are deductible on Schedule C even before you have revenue. The standard mileage rate adds up quick!
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Toot-n-Mighty
ā¢Is there an app you recommend for tracking business miles? I always forget to log them and probably missing out on deductions.
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