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Lindsey Fry

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4 One thing to keep in mind that I don't see mentioned here - make sure you understand the tax consequences of revoking S-corp status. When you go from S to C, there are some potential tax traps like the built-in gains tax if you sell appreciated assets within 5 years after revocation. Also, if you had accumulated adjustment account (AAA) balances, you need to plan for how those will be treated after conversion.

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Lindsey Fry

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11 Good point about the tax consequences, but isn't there a way to avoid some of these issues? I thought I read something about a post-termination transition period where you can still distribute AAA balances tax-free?

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Lindsey Fry

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4 Yes, that's correct. After S corporation status ends, there is a post-termination transition period (generally 1 year after the last day of the last S corporation tax year) where shareholders can still receive distributions from the former S corporation's AAA tax-free to the extent of their stock basis. This can be really important for planning purposes. Some shareholders mistakenly believe all their distribution options end when S status is revoked, but this transition period provides a window to distribute accumulated S corporation earnings without dividend treatment under C corporation rules.

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Lindsey Fry

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9 I wonder if your situation might be a candidate for a late-filed election to be a C corp from the beginning? If your S election was approved for 2023 but you realized immediately that you don't qualify, sometimes the IRS will let you treat the S election as if it never happened. Might be worth asking your accountant about Form 2553 with a "never effective" statement.

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Lindsey Fry

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14 I dealt with something similar and we ended up going this route. The key was proving that we never operated as an S corp (no distributions, no K-1s issued, etc.) and that it was an honest mistake in the election. Saved us from having to do the split-year filings.

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Malik Jackson

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Something important that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure you document everything about your business growth strategy. If you're keeping profits in the business for expansion, have a written business plan that outlines your capital needs, timeline for growth, and eventual transition strategy. This documentation becomes critical if you're ever questioned about why you took minimal/no salary. Courts have repeatedly sided with business owners who can demonstrate legitimate business purposes for retaining earnings versus those who just seem to be avoiding payroll taxes. Also, consider having your board of directors (even if it's just you wearing different hats) formally approve your compensation and capital retention strategy in corporate minutes. These formal governance steps make your intentions much clearer if scrutinized later.

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StardustSeeker

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This is really helpful advice. I hadn't thought about documenting the strategy formally. Is there a specific format you'd recommend for this kind of business plan? Also, does the board approval need to happen annually or just once when implementing the strategy?

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Malik Jackson

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There's no required format, but I'd recommend including projected capital needs, specific growth milestones, timeline for expansion, and how the retained earnings will be used. Make it clear this is a temporary strategy until the business can support you full-time. Board approvals should definitely happen annually. At minimum, you should have annual minutes documenting review of the compensation strategy and business progress. Each year, note how the retained capital is being used toward your stated goals and reaffirm the strategy. This creates a pattern of consistent business purpose rather than looking like an afterthought if questioned.

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Has anyone actually been audited for NOT taking a salary from their S-corp? I've been running mine for 3 years and taking distributions but no salary (I know, I know) and haven't had any issues. Wondering if this is one of those things tax professionals warn about but rarely happens?

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Ravi Patel

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YES! My brother-in-law got absolutely hammered for this exact situation. Ran his consulting S-corp for 2 years taking zero salary and only distributions. Got audited, and the IRS reclassified ALL his distributions as salary, meaning he owed back payroll taxes plus penalties and interest. Cost him over $30k when all was said and done. They specifically target S-corps for this issue because it's such a common tax avoidance strategy.

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Freya Pedersen

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Just to add another option to consider - have you looked into whether a cost sharing arrangement might be more appropriate instead of loans? Since you mentioned both entities are doing R&D and collaborating closely, this could align better with the actual business substance. A properly structured cost sharing agreement would allocate development costs between the entities based on expected benefits. This might make more sense than loans if the goal is joint development of IP rather than just funding operations.

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Oliver Schulz

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That's an interesting approach I hadn't considered. Would that be simpler to manage than tracking all these loan amounts and interest calculations? What kind of documentation would we need for a cost sharing arrangement?

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Freya Pedersen

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A cost sharing arrangement could be simpler operationally but requires careful upfront documentation. You'd need a formal agreement specifying how costs will be allocated (usually based on projected benefits like expected sales or profits in each territory), which costs qualify for sharing, and how developed IP will be owned. The documentation is actually quite extensive. You'll need economic analysis to support your allocation method, regular documentation of actual costs incurred, and annual true-ups if estimates differ from reality. The IRS scrutinizes these arrangements closely under Section 482, so you'd want to prepare a transfer pricing study to support your approach.

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Omar Fawaz

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Has anyone here dealt with currency exchange issues when doing intercompany loans to foreign subs? We keep losing money on exchange rate fluctuations and I'm not sure how to handle that on our returns.

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Chloe Anderson

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We designated our intercompany loans as long-term investments so the foreign currency gains/losses are reported as Other Comprehensive Income instead of hitting our P&L directly. Talk to your accountant about whether that approach might work for your situation.

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KylieRose

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One thing to check - are you sure you filled out the NEW version of the W-4 correctly? In 2020, they completely changed the W-4 form and removed the allowances system. If you filled it out thinking it still had allowances (putting "0" when the form doesn't ask for that anymore), that might explain the confusion. The new form is totally different and really confusing. Also, did you put anything in Step 2 about multiple jobs? That's where you indicate if you have more than one employer now, which affects withholding calculations. Many people miss this part.

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You know what, that could actually be part of the problem. I didn't realize the W-4 had changed that significantly. I did fill out a paper form when I started and I remember putting "0" for allowances, but maybe that wasn't even the right field on the new form. I definitely didn't check anything about multiple jobs because my first job had already ended when I started this one. Do you think that could have somehow triggered zero withholding?

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KylieRose

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That could absolutely be the issue. The new W-4 doesn't have a place for "0 allowances" anymore, so if you were filling out an old form or using old terminology on the new form, it might have confused your payroll department. Even though your jobs weren't simultaneous, the Step 2 checkbox helps the withholding system account for your total annual income. Without it checked, the system might have been withholding as if this was your only income for the year, and depending on your pay rate, that might result in little or no withholding if the projected annual amount would be under the standard deduction.

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This happened to my wife last year! Check if they have you classified as an independent contractor instead of an employee. Some companies do this "accidentally" to save on their end of payroll taxes. If they did, you'll see no Social Security or Medicare taxes withheld either. In that case, you should've received a 1099 instead of a W-2, and they definitely messed up.

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Sasha Ivanov

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That's a good point. If they gave you a W-2 but treated you as an independent contractor for withholding purposes, that's definitely something the IRS would be interested in knowing about. Companies can get in big trouble for misclassifying employees.

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They definitely gave me a W-2, not a 1099. And they are withholding Social Security and Medicare taxes correctly - it's just the federal income tax that's showing $0. So I don't think I'm being classified as an independent contractor. It seems more like some kind of specific error with just the federal income tax withholding.

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Klaus Schmidt

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One thing nobody's mentioned is that your husband should look into the Voluntary Disclosure Program. By coming forward voluntarily before any IRS enforcement actions, you might be able to get some penalties reduced. Make sure your CPA is exploring ALL options for penalty abatement. Each year might be handled differently depending on circumstances.

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Aaliyah Jackson

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Thank you for mentioning this! I had no idea this was a thing. I'll definitely ask our CPA about the Voluntary Disclosure Program. Is there anything specific we need to do to qualify for this?

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Klaus Schmidt

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You're already taking the right first step by working with a CPA to file all the past returns. The key requirements are that you're coming forward voluntarily (before the IRS contacts you about the unfiled returns) and that you're filing accurate returns for all missing years. Make sure your CPA specifically requests penalty abatement using Form 843. They should cite "reasonable cause" and explain the circumstances that led to the unfiled returns. Having professional help with this process is crucial because the specific language and approach matter a lot in how the IRS responds.

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Aisha Patel

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I'd be really worried about the house and other assets. My brother didn't file for just 2 years and they put a lien on his house!!! Make sure your name is not on anything important if possible.

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LilMama23

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That's not entirely accurate. The IRS doesn't immediately put liens on property, especially if you're voluntarily coming forward. They typically only place liens after multiple notices and lack of response or cooperation.

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