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Slightly off topic but important: make sure you're setting aside money for quarterly estimated tax payments next year if you continue the side hustle. The IRS wants you to pay taxes as you earn income, not just at tax time. I learned this the hard way and got hit with an underpayment penalty my first year doing freelance work. Since this is your first year with significant side income, you'll probably be fine for this year due to the safe harbor rules (especially if your W-2 withholding covers your total tax bill), but keep it in mind for next year!
How much should someone set aside for taxes on side income? Is 30% enough?
just fyi my spouse started an education consulting side hustle last year and we looked into the llc thing. ended up not being worth it for under 10k in income cause the filing fees + extra tax prep costs ate up the small savings. our tax guy said just having good records of expenses was way more important than the business structure at that income level. we track everything in quickbooks self-employed now, makes schedule c super easy to fill out.
This tax bill definitely seems within the normal range for self-employment. Like others said, you're paying both halves of Social Security and Medicare (15.3%) plus regular income tax. But I wanted to add - you should also be setting up quarterly estimated tax payments for this year to avoid penalties next year! The IRS expects you to pay as you earn throughout the year. If you wait until tax time next year, you'll likely get hit with underpayment penalties on top of your tax bill. You can set this up through the IRS Direct Pay system online. Generally, you should be setting aside 25-30% of your income throughout the year for taxes.
When are these quarterly payments due? I just started freelancing in February and have no idea how to calculate what I should be paying.
Quarterly estimated tax payments are typically due on April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15 of the following year. These dates shift slightly if they fall on weekends or holidays. For calculating what to pay, you have two main options: You can pay 100% of your previous year's tax liability divided into four equal payments (110% if your income is over $150,000), or you can estimate your current year's tax and pay as you go. Most new freelancers find it easiest to set aside about 30% of each payment they receive, then calculate more precisely when making the quarterly payments. The IRS Form 1040-ES has worksheets to help you calculate this, or you can use tax software that offers estimated payment calculators.
Same thing happened to me last year. Made $81k freelancing and owed about $16k. Self-employment taxes are brutal! You should 100% open a SEP IRA or Solo 401k to reduce your taxable income. You can contribute way more than a regular IRA - like up to 25% of your net earnings or around $61k for 2023 (whichever is less). I put $15k into my Solo 401k last year and it saved me about $3300 in taxes. Plus you're saving for retirement! Also look into the Qualified Business Income deduction - you might qualify for a 20% deduction on your business income.
The most important thing, OP, is to start filing current tax returns correctly going forward. Don't let this year become another unfiled year while you're dealing with the past ones. I say this from experience - each new unfiled year just digs the hole deeper. I made this mistake and ended up with 6 years of unfiled returns. The way I dug out was to: 1) File current year properly 2) Work backwards on the old returns one by one 3) Call the IRS and get on a payment plan Remember that independent contractors should typically be making quarterly estimated tax payments. Set that up right away for 2025 so you don't keep adding to the problem.
What about state taxes? Aren't those separate from the IRS payment plans? With multiple states involved this seems like a nightmare to sort out.
You're absolutely right about state taxes being separate. Each state has its own tax authority and payment arrangements. You'll need to contact each state where you owed taxes to work out separate payment plans. For multi-state situations, I usually recommend tackling the federal issues first, then addressing each state in order of highest debt to lowest. Many states offer voluntary disclosure programs that can reduce penalties if you come forward before they contact you. It feels overwhelming at first, but breaking it down step by step makes it manageable.
Has anyone mentioned the statute of limitations on this? IRS generally has 10 years to collect from the assessment date. If some of these taxes are from 10 years ago, maybe some of this debt is approaching expiration?
Don't forget that you need to file Schedule C for your eBay business and Schedule SE for the self-employment taxes. The tax software should walk you through all this, but just making sure you know. Also, you might want to consider making quarterly estimated tax payments next year to avoid owing a big lump sum (and possible underpayment penalties). Since you've got both W-2 and self-employment income, you'll need to plan ahead. One last thing - if your eBay business continues to be profitable, look into setting up a SEP IRA or solo 401(k) to shelter some of that income from taxes. Could save you a decent amount.
Thanks for the extra info! The tax software did have me fill out those schedules, but I wasn't totally clear on what they were for. How do the quarterly estimated payments work? Is there a minimum amount I need to earn before I'm required to make them? And how do I calculate how much to pay?
Generally, you should make estimated tax payments if you expect to owe $1,000 or more when you file your return. The IRS wants you to pay as you earn throughout the year, not just at tax time. To calculate your payments, you have two options: You can pay 100% of last year's tax liability (110% if your income is over $150,000), divided into four equal payments. This is the safest method to avoid underpayment penalties. Or you can estimate your current year's tax and pay it in quarterly installments, which might be more accurate if your income changes significantly. The IRS Form 1040-ES has worksheets to help you calculate this. Payments are due April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15 of the following year. You can pay online through the IRS Direct Pay system.
Has anyone else noticed that the 1099-K threshold changed? I thought they were going to require platforms to issue 1099-Ks for just $600 in sales this year, but then they delayed it? I sell on multiple platforms and I'm confused about what triggers a 1099-K now. Some of my platforms sent them and others didn't.
Yeah, it's confusing! The threshold was supposed to drop to $600 for 2023, but the IRS delayed it. For 2023 tax returns (what we're filing now in 2024), the threshold is still $20,000 AND 200 transactions. In 2024 (for next year's taxes), it'll be $5,000 with no transaction minimum. Then in 2025, it'll finally go down to $600. But some states have their own lower thresholds, and some platforms might be issuing 1099-Ks at lower amounts anyway just to be safe. Super confusing!
Zoe Kyriakidou
Long-time practitioner here. Everyone's giving software advice but honestly, the most important factor isn't which software but how much training you get on it. I've used ATX for 15 years and it handles everything from basic to complex returns, including multi-state and PTE. Look for a software company that offers comprehensive training and excellent support during tax season. ATX may not be as flashy as some others, but their support is top-notch, and that matters more than anything when you're in the middle of a complex return with a deadline looming.
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Jamal Brown
ā¢What about the interface though? I tried ATX at a previous firm and found the navigation really clunky. Has it improved in recent years?
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Zoe Kyriakidou
ā¢The interface has definitely improved over the last few versions. They did a major update about 2 years ago that streamlined a lot of the navigation issues. It's still not as pretty as some competitors, but functionality-wise it's much better. They've also added a really nice client dashboard that gives you at-a-glance status updates on all your returns, which has been surprisingly helpful for practice management. The learning curve is shorter than it used to be, but I still recommend taking advantage of their training resources to get the most out of it.
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Mei Zhang
Don't overlook Lacerte if you're planning to grow into complex returns. Yes, it's pricier than Drake, but there's a reason most large practices use either Lacerte or Ultra Tax for complex work. I switched from Drake to Lacerte 3 years ago and would never go back. The time savings on complex returns more than pays for the higher cost. Multi-state returns are much easier, and the PTE handling is stellar. The tax research integration alone saves me hours on tricky situations.
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Liam McConnell
ā¢The price difference between Lacerte and Drake is substantial though. For someone just starting with a small book of business, wouldn't it make more sense to start with something more affordable and upgrade later?
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