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Has anyone considered that the employer might be doing this intentionally to save money? By classifying workers as 1099 contractors, they avoid paying: - Their portion of Social Security and Medicare taxes (7.65% of your wages) - Federal and state unemployment taxes - Workers' compensation insurance - Benefits like health insurance, paid time off, etc. It's a common tactic for companies trying to cut corners. The IRS takes misclassification seriously because they lose out on proper tax collection. Your employer should know better - especially if they have an accountant advising them.
This is a really important point. My previous employer did this exact thing, and it wasn't an "accident" - it was calculated. When multiple employees filed SS-8 forms, the company ended up getting audited and had to pay massive penalties plus back taxes for everyone they had misclassified. They also had to pay everyone back for the extra self-employment taxes we'd paid.
Exactly. The savings for employers can be substantial - typically around 20-30% of payroll costs. That's why the IRS has been cracking down on this practice. For anyone in this situation, it's worth knowing that the law has protections against retaliation for workers who file SS-8 forms or otherwise challenge their classification status. That doesn't mean it won't create tension, but you do have legal protections if your employer tries to fire you specifically for raising this issue.
I'm confused about one thing - if you file those forms and the IRS determines you should've been classified as an employee, does that mean you'll get a refund for the extra self-employment taxes you paid? Or are you just out that money?
If the IRS rules in your favor after filing Form SS-8, they'll typically assess the employer for their share of the FICA taxes (the 7.65% employer portion). You would file Form 8919 with your return to only pay the employee portion rather than the full self-employment tax rate. If you've already filed and paid the full self-employment tax, you can file an amended return to claim a refund for the difference once the determination is made. Just be aware that the SS-8 process can take 6+ months, so you might need to initially pay the higher amount and then amend later.
Don't forget about state taxes! Even though you're focused on federal filings, some states can be really aggressive about claiming you as a resident if you were born there or previously lived there. California is notorious for this. Since you mentioned you were born in Texas, you're actually lucky because Texas doesn't have state income tax, but if you'd been born in California or New York, you might have had additional state filing requirements to deal with.
Wait, I hadn't even thought about state taxes! Thank you for bringing this up. So even though I was only in Texas for a few months as a baby, if it had been a state with income tax, I might have needed to file there too? That's wild! Do you know if there's a similar "streamlined" process for state tax compliance?
You generally only need to worry about state taxes if you have current ties to that state (property, income from there, voting registration, driver's license, etc.). Since you left as a baby and have no connections, most states wouldn't consider you a resident. State tax amnesty programs vary widely by state. If you had been born in a high-tax state like California, you might have needed to address it, but their Voluntary Disclosure Program typically looks at fewer years than the federal program. Again, for your Texas situation, it's not a concern, which is one small piece of good news in this complicated situation!
Has anyone mentioned the exit tax if you want to renounce your citizenship? With investments over $50k, you might be considered a "covered expatriate" which has tax consequences if you decide to give up your US citizenship later.
The exit tax typically applies if your net worth is over $2 million or your average annual net income tax for the 5 years ending before the date of expatriation is more than $172,000 (2021 figure). The $50k investment alone wouldn't trigger covered expatriate status.
One thing nobody mentioned yet - since your wife is now getting 1099-Ks, she should consider treating this as an actual small business going forward if she's going to continue selling. That means: 1. Track all expenses separately 2. Consider filing for a business tax ID instead of using her SSN 3. Keep good inventory records from the start 4. Set aside about 15-20% of profits for estimated tax payments I started selling vintage medical equipment on eBay as a side hustle in 2022, and it's so much easier when you treat it as a business from day one rather than trying to sort it out later.
Thanks for this advice! Do we need to do anything special for sales tax collection? The items were sold to buyers in different states.
Good news - you don't need to worry about sales tax collection. eBay now automatically collects and remits sales tax in all states that require it. That's one headache they've taken off sellers' plates in recent years. Just focus on your income tax obligations - reporting the income on Schedule C, deducting your costs and expenses, and paying tax on the net profit. If you continue selling regularly, you might need to make quarterly estimated tax payments, but for a one-time cleanout of old inventory, you'll likely be fine just reporting it on your annual return.
Don't overthink this. I've been selling on eBay for 15+ years. The 1099-K is just reporting the money that went through their platform. It doesn't mean you owe taxes on that full amount. Your wife needs to file Schedule C with the 1099-K amount as her gross receipts, then deduct: - Cost of goods sold (what you paid originally) - eBay fees - Shipping costs - Packaging materials - Home office if you qualify - Portion of internet/phone used for business - Mileage for post office trips Regarding documentation - credit card statements, bank records, or even photos of the items with notes about purchase price are better than nothing. The IRS just wants to see you made an honest effort. And they absolutely don't care that you bought it and she sold it - married couples share property all the time.
For anyone who finds this thread later - I recommend planning ahead for next year! Set a calendar reminder 2-3 weeks before the deadline. I've been using the IRS-approved "Free File Fillable Forms" for my 7004 extensions which is completely free, but you need to set up an account ahead of time and it can be a bit clunky to use if you're rushing.
Don't forget that filing an extension only extends your time to FILE, not your time to PAY any taxes due. Make sure you're still paying your estimated tax liability by the original deadline to avoid penalties and interest, even if you're extending the actual filing.
JaylinCharles
Something to consider: if your gym membership is like $50-60/month, is the tax deduction even worth potentially raising red flags? You'd only save like $15-20 a month depending on your tax bracket. Might not be worth the hassle if you're not deducting much else. I referee youth soccer (just W-2 though, not 1099) and honestly keep my fitness up by running outdoors and doing bodyweight exercises. No gym needed and nothing to deduct lol.
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KaiEsmeralda
ā¢That's a fair point about the amount. My gym is actually $95/month because it has some specialized equipment I use for training. So it would add up to over $1,100 a year, which seems worth deducting if it's legitimate. But I definitely see your point about weighing the potential hassle against the benefit!
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JaylinCharles
ā¢$95/month changes things for sure! That's over $1,100 annually, so the tax savings would be more significant. At that price point, it sounds like a premium gym with specific equipment beneficial to your work. Just make sure to document how you use the specialized equipment for referee-specific training. Take photos of yourself using equipment that helps with referee movements, keep a training log showing how your workouts connect to referee requirements, and save any communications from assigning bodies that mention fitness standards. With that kind of documentation and the higher expense amount, the deduction makes more sense.
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Eloise Kendrick
Make sure you're only deducting the portion of the membership that's for business! If you use the gym 50% for referee fitness and 50% for personal use, you can only deduct 50% of the cost. The IRS is pretty strict about this allocation stuff for mixed-use expenses.
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Lucas Schmidt
ā¢This is super important advice. The IRS definitely looks at allocation for mixed-use expenses. But how would they even know what percentage you use for business vs personal? It's not like they follow you around the gym...
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