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One thing to consider with a CP504 notice is that even if you set up a payment plan, the IRS can still file a Notice of Federal Tax Lien if your total unpaid balance is over $10,000. This is standard practice for them to protect their interest. I went through this last year - set up an installment agreement but still got hit with a lien because my balance was $11,500. The lien affects your credit and can make it difficult to sell property or get loans. If you're concerned about the lien, you might want to consider paying down the balance below $10k before setting up the installment agreement.
Do you know if I could pay just enough to get under the $10k threshold and then set up a payment plan for the remainder to avoid the lien? Would that work?
Yes, that strategy can work! If you can pay enough to get your balance under $10,000 before you set up the installment agreement, you'll significantly reduce the chances of the IRS filing a lien. In your case, since you owe about $12k, you could pay around $2-3k upfront and then immediately request an installment agreement for the remaining balance. Make sure to get confirmation that the payment has been applied before you request the installment agreement. This approach isn't guaranteed to prevent a lien in all cases, but it follows their general guidelines and works in many situations.
Has anyone had success getting penalties removed from their CP504 amount? I've heard about the First Time Abatement program but not sure if it applies once you've reached the CP504 stage.
Yes, you can absolutely still request penalty abatement even after receiving a CP504! The First Time Abatement (FTA) program applies regardless of what stage of collections you're in, as long as you meet the criteria: good compliance history (no significant penalties) for the three tax years prior to the year you received penalties. You'll want to call the IRS or include Form 843 with your request. I've seen numerous clients successfully get penalties removed even after receiving CP504 notices. Just make sure to address the underlying tax debt too, either by paying it or setting up an installment agreement.
Don't forget about state requirements! Depending on your state, you might need to file: - State partnership return - Business registration/annual reports - Sales tax permits if you're selling taxable products For web design, some states consider digital products taxable. Also check if you need a business license in your city/county. The forms for these can be just as confusing as federal ones.
Thanks for mentioning state requirements! We're in Michigan - do you know if web design services are subject to sales tax here? And for the business license, would we need one for each partner's home location since we work remotely?
In Michigan, services like web design generally aren't subject to sales tax (they focus more on tangible products), but if you're selling actual digital products like templates or hosting, that could potentially be taxable. Check with Michigan Treasury to be sure. As for business licenses, since you're operating as a partnership, you typically only need one license for the business entity itself, not for each partner. However, if all partners work from different municipalities, you might need to check local regulations for each area. Some cities have different requirements for home-based businesses. Usually registering in the location where your business is primarily managed is sufficient.
Just went through this for my consulting partnership. Form 1065 is the main one, but don't forget these: - Schedule K-1 for each partner - Schedule B if you have certain investment income - Form 940/941 if you ever hire employees - Form 1099-NEC if you pay any contractors $600+ Also, save receipts for EVERYTHING. We track using QuickBooks which made our first tax filing way easier than expected.
The qualifying child criteria are more complex than most people realize. For your parents to claim you as a dependent, ALL of these tests must be met: 1) Relationship: You're their child 2) Age: Under 19, or under 24 if a full-time student 3) Residency: Lived with them for more than half the year (temporary absences for education count as living with them) 4) Support: You didn't provide more than half of your own support Based on your timeline, the residency test is tricky. January-March on campus counts as temporary absence for education (so that's like living with parents). March-August actually living with parents. September-December in your apartment. That's potentially 8 months counting as "living with parents" for IRS purposes. But the support test is where you likely break free. If your loans, scholarships, and job income provide more than 50% of your total support, your parents can't claim you even if you meet all other tests.
Do student loans really count as the student providing their own support? I thought since they're loans that need to be paid back later, they wouldn't count for the current tax year?
Yes, student loans absolutely count as support provided by the student for the current tax year, regardless of when they'll be repaid. The IRS looks at who paid the expenses during the tax year, not where the money originally came from. Even if your parents cosigned the loans, as long as you're legally obligated to pay them back, the tuition and expenses paid with those loan funds count as support you provided for yourself. The same applies to scholarship funds - those count as support you provided (not support from your parents), even though the money comes from a third party.
Just adding my experience - I was in this situation in 2022. At first my parents and I both claimed me as a dependent (big mistake). We both got letters from the IRS and had to prove who provided more support. I had to create a "support worksheet" showing all my expenses and who paid for them. Make sure to include: - Tuition and fees (including loan-covered amounts) - Housing costs (fair rental value of the space, even at parents' home) - Food - Utilities - Medical/dental - Transportation - Personal items (clothing, entertainment, etc) I ended up proving I provided 58% of my support, so my parents had to file an amended return. The IRS actually accepted my calculations without much hassle, but gathering all the documentation was a pain. Better to figure this out now than dealing with the headache later!!!
The IRS actually contacted you both about this? How long did it take for them to notice the duplicate dependency claim?
It happened pretty fast! We both filed in February, and by April we each got letters asking for documentation. The duplicate dependency claim triggered an automatic flag in their system. The IRS actually put both of our refunds on hold until the issue was resolved. My parents had to pay back the extra refund they received from claiming me plus a small penalty. The whole process took about 3 months to resolve completely. Definitely not something you want to deal with during finals or job hunting!
I had this exact issue last year. The difference between your W2 and HSA custodian statement is likely from investment earnings inside your HSA account. My HSA provider invested some of my contributions automatically, which generated about $45 in earnings that got added to my total. My accountant told me to report the full excess amount that I withdrew ($180 in my case) on Form 8889 line 13, not just the amount that my W2 showed as excess. You'll need to override TurboTax's warning because it's only looking at your W2 data. Also, make sure you're using the correct contribution limit for your situation. The $4,150 limit applies for individual coverage, but if you have family coverage, the limit was $8,300 for 2024.
Thanks for this! Definitely individual coverage in my case. So basically I just need to override TurboTax and report the full $200.08 as an excess contribution withdrawal, right? Did you have any issues with the IRS after filing that way?
Yes, exactly - override TurboTax and report the full $200.08 as an excess contribution withdrawal on line 13 of Form 8889. I had zero issues with the IRS after filing that way. The key is that you've already withdrawn the excess amount, which is the most important step. The reporting just needs to match what actually happened. The IRS receives Form 5498-SA directly from your HSA custodian, so they'll already know the actual contribution amount. Your tax return just needs to match that reality. I was worried too, but everything processed normally and I received my refund without any questions.
Here's what happened in my case with almost the same issue - the difference between my W2 and HSA statement was because my employer's payroll system didn't account for the interest my HSA earned during the year, but my HSA provider counted it as part of my total contributions. I withdrew the full excess amount shown by my HSA provider ($225) and reported that on Form 8889. TurboTax gave me the same warning, but I called their support line and they explained how to override it. The best advice I can give is to withdraw the full excess amount that your HSA provider reports and then make sure your tax forms reflect what actually happened, not what TurboTax thinks should have happened based on only your W2.
Paolo Rizzo
Just a heads up - make sure your dad meets all the requirements to be your qualifying person for head of household. If he has any income at all (even social security), you need to check if it's under the gross income limit. Also, you need documentation showing you paid more than half the costs of the home. Keep receipts for rent/mortgage, utilities, groceries, medical expenses, etc. The IRS can be picky about this if you get audited.
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Dmitry Kuznetsov
ā¢Thanks for the tip! My dad gets a small social security check ($843/month) but it all goes toward his medications that aren't covered by Medicare. Would that count against the income limit? And yes, I've been keeping all receipts for household expenses since I had a feeling this might come up.
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Paolo Rizzo
ā¢Social Security benefits do count toward the gross income test for dependency, so that's about $10,116 annually. For 2024, the gross income limit for dependents is $4,700, so your father's income is over that threshold. However, there's still a way you might qualify for head of household. Even if your father doesn't meet the gross income test to be your dependent, he might still be considered your "qualifying relative" for head of household purposes if you provide more than half his support and he meets the other tests. This is a special exception specifically for parents. Keep documenting everything - especially showing how his SS income is spent entirely on his medical needs and how you cover everything else.
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QuantumQuest
I had a similar situation and found out you can still claim head of household even if your parent doesn't live with you! If you pay more than half the cost of keeping up their home (like paying their rent, utilities, etc.), you might still qualify. Might be worth looking into if your situation ever changes.
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Amina Sy
ā¢That's really helpful to know! My mom lives in her own apartment but I pay for everything. I've been filing as single all this time... wonder if I should amend my past returns?
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