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You might want to check your state tax withholding too. When my federal withholding got adjusted between multiple jobs, my state withholding also changed because many state systems piggyback on the federal withholding information. This might be especially important if you live in a high-tax state like CA, NY, or NJ.
Good point! I just checked and you're right - my state withholding also changed on my part-time job. I'm in Illinois, and it looks like they increased the state withholding percentage at the same time as the federal. Any specific suggestions for handling state withholding with multiple jobs? Is it similar to federal or do they have different rules?
State withholding generally follows similar principles to federal, but each state has its own specific forms and calculation methods. For Illinois, they use your federal allowances as a starting point for state withholding calculations. I'd recommend checking the Illinois Department of Revenue website for their withholding calculator or Form IL-W-4. Since both jobs are now withholding correctly, you might just need to make sure your additional withholding amount on your full-time job's W-4 is adjusted downward to account for the new withholding happening at your part-time job. The goal is to get your total withholding across both jobs to match your expected tax liability.
Has anyone else noticed that the FITWH on multiple jobs seems to be calculated weirdly this year? Like my second job is withholding at a much higher rate per dollar than my main job even though they both have the same W-4 settings? Is that normal?
That's actually by design! The 2020 W-4 redesign and IRS withholding tables are set up so that if you check the multiple jobs box, your second/lower paying job often has a higher withholding percentage. This is because the system assumes your first job already uses up your standard deduction and lower tax brackets, so additional income is taxed at higher marginal rates.
Just an FYI - the $4,700 limit for 2023 is indexed for inflation, which is why it seems so low. It doesn't apply if your dependent is a qualifying child (rather than qualifying relative) or if they're a full-time student under 24. For 2024, that limit is going up to $5,050. Still not much, but at least it's increasing. If your stepson decides to take some classes and becomes a full-time student, then the gross income test wouldn't apply at all.
Wait, so if he enrolled in college classes the income limit wouldn't matter? Even at a community college? My daughter works part-time making about $8k but she's taking 3 classes each semester.
That's correct! If your daughter is under 24 and a full-time student (generally defined as taking a full course load for at least 5 months of the year), then the gross income test doesn't apply for determining if she's your qualifying child. She would need to meet the other tests: relationship (your daughter, so check), residency (lived with you for more than half the year), age (under 19 or under 24 if full-time student), and support (you provide more than half her support). The number of classes determines full-time status according to the school's definition, so 3 classes might qualify if her school considers that full-time.
The whole dependent thing is super confusing. Last year I thought I could claim my 22yo son cause he lives at home and I pay for everything, but turbotax said no cause he made like $13k at his part-time job. but then my friend claimed her 20yo daughter who made $15k???
Dont forget to check if your parents are claiming you as a dependent! If they are (and they probably should if they provide more than half your support), it affects how you file. You can still file and get your refund, but you'll need to indicate that someone else can claim you as a dependent.
Also consider that you might need to file state taxes even if you don't need to file federal! Each state has different rules and thresholds. Some states will give you a refund of state income taxes even if you're below the federal filing requirement.
I hadn't even thought about state taxes! I'm in Texas - do you know if they have state income tax here?
You're actually in luck! Texas is one of the few states with no state income tax, so you don't need to worry about filing a state return. Just the federal one. That makes things much simpler for you! If you ever move to another state though, definitely check their specific requirements. States like California, New York, and many others have their own income taxes with different thresholds and rules.
I'm an estate planning attorney, and I wanted to add something important that hasn't been mentioned yet. Your uncle should be aware that the current federal estate tax exemption amount ($13.6 million in 2025) is scheduled to sunset at the end of 2025, potentially dropping back to around $7 million (adjusted for inflation) in 2026. If your uncle's estate is in the $7-9 million range as you mentioned, this could suddenly put him over the exemption threshold next year. This is why many wealthy individuals are considering making significant gifts or establishing irrevocable trusts now to lock in the current higher exemption amount. Also, don't forget about state-level estate taxes. Depending on which state your uncle lives in, the exemption could be much lower than the federal amount.
Whoa, I had no idea about the sunset provision! That could be a huge deal for my uncle. He's in Massachusetts if that makes a difference for state-level taxes. Would you recommend he talk to a specialized estate planning attorney rather than his regular attorney who handles his other legal matters?
Massachusetts has a state estate tax threshold of only $1 million with tax rates ranging from 0.8% to 16%, so yes, this is definitely something your uncle needs to address regardless of federal exemption amounts. Absolutely recommend a specialized estate planning attorney rather than a general practitioner. Estate planning, particularly with estates approaching the federal exemption and in states with their own estate taxes, requires specific expertise. The right attorney can potentially save your uncle's estate hundreds of thousands or even millions in taxes with proper planning. The fee for specialized advice will be well worth it given the potential tax savings.
Just wanted to add - make sure your uncle understands the implications of irrevocable trusts before jumping in. My father set one up and later regretted it because he couldn't access those assets when he needed them for medical expenses. Once assets go in, they generally can't come back out (that's why they avoid estate tax). Some irrevocable trusts can be set up with flexibility, like naming a trust protector who can make certain changes, but it's definitely not something to rush into without understanding all the implications.
This is such an important point. My mother did something similar and it was a nightmare. Are there any types of trusts that offer tax benefits but still maintain some flexibility?
Lucas Kowalski
I'm a parent of a 26-year-old with a disability, and we've dealt with the SGA question multiple times. Here's what I've learned: The Social Security Administration and the IRS have different standards for SGA. For the IRS dependent exemption, they're primarily concerned with the support test (do you provide more than half their support?) rather than strictly applying the SSA's SGA limits. In my experience, a brief period of increased work during the holiday season hasn't affected our ability to claim our son as a dependent, especially since his annual income was still low and we continued to provide most of his support throughout the year.
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Olivia Martinez
ā¢That's interesting! So are you saying the IRS doesn't strictly apply the $1,470 monthly limit that the SSA uses? My daughter has Down syndrome and occasionally works more hours for special events, but we still provide over 90% of her support.
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Lucas Kowalski
ā¢That's right - while the IRS and SSA both use the term "substantial gainful activity," the IRS focuses more on the overall support situation rather than rigidly applying the monthly earnings limit. If you're providing 90% of your daughter's support, you're well within the requirements to claim her as a dependent. The key test for the IRS is whether you provide more than half of your dependent's total support for the year. The SGA question becomes more relevant if they're earning enough that they might be supporting themselves. Even with occasional higher earnings for special events, it sounds like your situation clearly meets the support test.
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Charlie Yang
Anyone know if there are different SGA thresholds for different types of disabilities? My son has a physical disability but is cognitively typical. He worked at Target during the holiday rush but otherwise works minimal hours the rest of the year.
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Grace Patel
ā¢There are different SGA thresholds for blind individuals versus non-blind individuals with disabilities. In 2023, the threshold was $2,460 per month for blind individuals and $1,470 for non-blind. Doesn't matter what type of disability otherwise - physical, cognitive, etc all fall under the same threshold as long as they're not blind.
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