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Something nobody has mentioned yet - depending on your situation, you might want to consider recharacterizing your Roth IRA contribution to a Traditional IRA instead of just withdrawing the excess. Since you're filing jointly with your spouse, your combined income might allow you to deduct a Traditional IRA contribution, which could be beneficial. This way you don't lose the tax-advantaged space completely. Talk to your IRA provider about the "recharacterization" process. It's different from a withdrawal and has different tax implications. You'd still need to do this before the tax filing deadline (plus extensions).
That's an interesting option I hadn't considered. If I recharacterize to Traditional IRA, would I still need to worry about the earned income limit? And would I need to do anything special on my tax forms?
You still need earned income to contribute to a Traditional IRA, but the same limit applies - your contribution can't exceed your earned income for the year. So you'd still need to recharacterize the excess amount above your $4,200 income. For tax forms, you would report the recharacterization on your tax return using Form 8606 if any portion is non-deductible. Your IRA custodian will also send you a statement showing the recharacterized amount, which you should keep with your tax records. The good thing is recharacterization isn't a taxable event if done properly and before the deadline, so you avoid the penalties associated with excess contributions.
Just wanted to point out that if you already filed your 2023 taxes, you may need to file an amended return depending on how you handle the excess contribution. Some people just pay the 6% penalty and deal with it, but that's usually not the best approach since the penalty applies every year until you fix the issue.
Just wanted to add something important - if you're owed a refund for 2023, there's actually no penalty for filing late! The IRS doesn't penalize you for filing late if they owe YOU money. You have 3 years from the original due date to claim a refund. But if you do owe taxes like you mentioned, then yes, there are penalties and interest. Still, it's WAY better to file late than never. The IRS is generally pretty reasonable with people who come forward voluntarily vs. those they have to chase down.
Thanks for mentioning this! Unfortunately I'm pretty certain I owe them money since I had some 1099 income without any withholding. But that's good info to know for the future. Do you know if most tax preparers handle late returns like this or should I look for someone who specializes in them?
Most regular tax preparers can definitely handle late returns - it's pretty common and not as complicated as you might think. You don't need a specialized tax attorney or anything unless you have a really complex situation or owe an enormous amount. Any decent tax preparer or even the major tax software packages can guide you through filing a late return. They'll help calculate the penalties and interest too. If your situation is relatively straightforward (W2 income, maybe some 1099 work), you could even do it yourself with good tax software.
Don't panic! I went through this exact thing for my 2020 taxes. Depression is real and the IRS actually does understand that life happens. Quick tip - if you're worried about penalties, look into what's called "first-time penalty abatement" if you have a clean compliance history (meaning you filed and paid on time for the past 3 years before 2023). The IRS often waives penalties for your first offense if you call and explain your situation.
5 One thing to check is if the creditor sold your debt to a collection agency at some point. When that happens, the original creditor might issue a 1099-C even though you eventually paid off the debt to the collection agency. It's a common disconnect in their systems.
1 That makes a lot of sense actually. I did get some collection calls before I paid it off. So if that's what happened, what should I do? Contact the original creditor?
5 Yes, contact the original creditor first. Ask them specifically if they sold your debt and then issued the 1099-C. Request documentation showing when they sold it and to whom. Then contact the collection agency and get proof that you paid them in full. You'll need both documents to show that you didn't actually have canceled debt - the debt was transferred, not forgiven. Submit a dispute to the creditor that issued the 1099-C and ask them to issue a corrected form. Keep copies of all communications and payment receipts in case you need to explain this situation to the IRS.
8 Has anyone used TurboTax to handle a 1099-C situation? I got one too and have no idea where to even report this in the software.
11 TurboTax has a specific section for 1099-C under "Income" and then "Less Common Income." It'll ask for all the information from the form and help determine if any exclusions apply. Just make sure you have the actual 1099-C in front of you when you get to that section.
Something else to consider - if you're close to the QBI income thresholds ($340,100 for MFJ in 2025), including or excluding certain activities can impact whether you face the limitations based on W-2 wages or qualified property. In some cases, it might actually be beneficial to include losses to bring your total QBI under the threshold. Tax planning for QBI isn't always intuitive!
Good point! Our AGI is actually around $325,000 so we're approaching that threshold. Does that change your recommendation on whether we should include the rental losses in QBI or not?
Since you're still below the threshold (but approaching it), you still likely benefit from excluding the rental losses from QBI. At your income level, you can take the full 20% deduction on positive QBI without the wage/property limitations. If including rental losses would reduce your positive QBI from your wife's self-employment, then excluding them makes perfect sense. However, if your income rises above the threshold in future years, the calculation becomes more complex, and including some loss activities might occasionally be beneficial to stay under the phase-out limits.
Has anyone tried using the QBI worksheets in different tax software? I tried both H&R Block and TurboTax and got different results for the exact same scenario with my rentals.
Omar Zaki
I'm a CPA who works with high-net-worth clients. One thing to consider that others haven't mentioned: you might actually need a team rather than just one person. In my practice, clients with your profile (real estate, trusts, private investments) typically work with: 1. A CPA for tax preparation and planning (quarterly, not just annually) 2. An estate attorney for trust structures and estate planning 3. A financial planner for investment strategy (even if you manage investments yourself) The key is finding a CPA who can quarterback this team and coordinate between specialists. Look for someone who specifically mentions "family office services" for clients who aren't quite wealthy enough for a dedicated family office but need comprehensive services. Also, consider whether you need someone registered as a fiduciary, which legally obligates them to act in your best interest. Not all financial advisors are fiduciaries.
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Oliver Zimmermann
ā¢This is a great point about needing a team. Do you recommend finding professionals who already work together or assembling my own team? I'm worried about coordination issues if everyone is working separately.
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Omar Zaki
ā¢I strongly recommend finding professionals who already have established working relationships. Ask the CPA you're considering who they regularly collaborate with for estate planning and financial advice. Existing teams will have systems for sharing information efficiently and won't duplicate efforts. The worst scenario is having different advisors giving contradictory guidance. For example, I've seen situations where an investment advisor recommends selling assets that would trigger massive tax consequences the CPA would have advised against. When your team already works together, these issues get addressed before they become problems.
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AstroAce
Has anyone used a CPA who specializes in real estate? I'm in a similar situation to the original poster but my biggest complexity is having properties in 3 different states. Tax filing has become a nightmare.
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Chloe Martin
ā¢Check out the National Association of Real Estate Tax Professionals (NARETP). I found my CPA through them and it made a huge difference. Multi-state properties create special issues with depreciation tracking and state-specific rules that general CPAs often miss.
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