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One thing nobody mentioned yet - make sure you're taking advantage of all the deductions you can on Schedule C before calculating your self-employment tax! You'll want to deduct any legitimate business expenses from your $4,000 before calculating the SE tax. Things like: - Home office (if you have a dedicated space) - Internet and phone expenses (business portion) - Any supplies or software - Mileage for business travel - Professional development costs This will lower your net profit, which means less self-employment tax. I made the mistake of not claiming these my first year and overpaid by hundreds!
Do you need receipts for all of these? I did some freelance work last year but was terrible about keeping records. Can I still claim some of these deductions?
You should ideally have documentation for all business expenses, but the level of documentation varies. For things like home office, you need to know the square footage. For mileage, you should have a log of business trips. For expenses like internet and phone, you can calculate the business percentage based on reasonable usage. If you don't have exact receipts but have bank or credit card statements showing the purchases, that can work too. The key is being able to show the expense was real and business-related if you ever get audited. For this year going forward, I recommend using a free app to track expenses or even just a simple spreadsheet. It makes tax time so much easier!
Has anyone used the IRS Direct Pay system for self-employment taxes? Is it pretty straightforward? I'm in the same boat as OP but worried about making a mistake on which payment type to select.
I used Direct Pay last year. When you go through the steps, you select "Form 1040" and then "Tax Return" or "Balance Due" as the payment type (I used Balance Due). Then select the right tax year. It was actually easier than I expected. Just make sure you keep the confirmation number they give you after the payment processes. I also took a screenshot of the confirmation page just to be safe.
One important thing no one's mentioned yet: if this is a true cannabis "plant-touching" operation, there are MAJOR tax implications beyond just the structure of your investment. Under Section 280E, cannabis businesses can't deduct normal business expenses because it's federally illegal. This means the business itself will have much higher effective tax rates, which directly impacts your returns. Make sure the PE firm's projections are accounting for this - many don't, which makes their return forecasts totally unrealistic. Also, depending on your state, you may need to register as an "interested party" with the cannabis regulatory body, even as a passive investor. Some states have restrictions on out-of-state investors too.
Is this still true with all the recent changes to federal cannabis policy? I thought things were changing with banking and taxes.
Yes, it's absolutely still true. While there have been some banking improvements with the SAFE Banking provisions, Section 280E is still very much in effect and will remain so until cannabis is rescheduled or descheduled at the federal level. The recent policy changes have mainly affected banking access and research, but the tax code restrictions remain unchanged. Any legitimate PE firm in the cannabis space should be building their financial models with 280E limitations factored in, resulting in effective tax rates that can reach 50-70% depending on the operation's structure. Always ask to see their tax assumptions when reviewing projected returns.
A bit off topic, but how are you verifying this cannabis PE firm is legitimate? I've seen a TON of scams in this space. Did they provide a private placement memorandum? Are they registered with the SEC? Have you verified the actual ownership of the farm they're investing in? Just be careful. The cannabis industry attracts a lot of shady operators because of the legal gray areas and limited banking options.
Thanks for bringing this up - honestly I haven't done as much due diligence as I probably should. They did provide an investment memorandum but I haven't verified SEC registration or the actual farm ownership. Do you have suggestions for what specific documents I should be requesting or how to verify their legitimacy?
Absolutely. Request their Form D filing with the SEC (all private offerings should have this), check the backgrounds of all principals through FINRA BrokerCheck, and get proof of the actual cannabis licenses they hold or have applied for. Also ask for references from current investors, and ideally visit the actual operation if possible. Request their detailed tax strategy document specifically addressing 280E issues - legitimate operators will have this prepared. Finally, have an attorney experienced in cannabis review all documents before transferring any money. The extra $1-2k in legal fees could save you from a total loss on your investment.
Kinda suprised nobody mentioned this but filing ur taxes with just paystubs is technically not allowed. The IRS requires you to use the ACTUAL W-2 form your employer provides. If u file with paystub info and it matches the W-2 exactly, you might get away with it, but if theres ANY difference, ur looking at having to file an amended return which takes forever to process. Also alot of employers have early W-2 access online thru their payroll systems (ADP, Workday, etc). Check if u can get ur W-2 electronically before paper copies come out. My company has them online by Jan 15 usually, way before the paper copies arrive.
Thanks for mentioning this! I didn't even think to check if our employers offer early online access to W-2s. I'll definitely look into that right away. Is there any difference between the electronic version and the paper one that gets mailed out?
The electronic and paper W-2s contain exactly the same information - they're just delivered differently. The electronic version is official and can be used to file your taxes just like the paper copy. The advantage is you typically get access to it 1-2 weeks earlier than waiting for mail delivery. Just log into your company's HR portal or payroll system and look for a tax documents section. Some employers require you to specifically opt-in for electronic W-2 delivery, so check that setting too. If you can't find it, ask your HR department - they'll point you in the right direction.
One thing to be super careful about - your last paystub of the year often doesnt include taxable fringe benefits. My company gives us a holiday gift card every year ($100) and it shows up on W-2 as taxable income but never appears on paystubs. Also had a work anniversary gift that was taxable. Would have been wrong if I'd filed with just paystubs. Also my health insurance has a "imputed income" thing for covering my partner that only shows on W-2. Worth waiting the extra couple weeks imo.
Don't forget you can also try contacting the payroll provider your company used rather than the company itself! Most businesses use third-party payroll services like ADP, Paychex, or Gusto, and those companies often retain records and provide employee portals. If you know which service your employer used, try contacting them directly. I was able to get W2s from 3 years ago this way after my previous employer went out of business.
That's a great idea! I think they used ADP actually. Do you know if there's a general customer service number for employees to contact them or would I need a specific account number?
For ADP, try calling their W2 services line at 800-247-3237. You'll need to verify your identity with your SSN and some other basic info. If you had an online account with them previously, you might still be able to log in at https://my.adp.com even if you no longer work there. If you don't know what service they used, try asking former coworkers if you're still in touch with any. Even if you don't have an account number, most payroll providers can look you up by SSN and previous employer.
Umm, isn't anyone else wondering why this person needs their pre-tax income? The mortgage company should be looking at your adjusted gross income (AGI), not pre-tax income. That's what they use to calculate debt-to-income ratios. Just use line 11 on your 1040. Pre-tax doesn't matter for most loan qualifications.
Some lenders do look at gross income before certain deductions. Self-employed people especially get evaluated differently. My mortgage broker wanted to see my gross contractual income rather than just what showed up on my tax return after all the deductions.
That makes sense for self-employed people, but OP mentioned a W2 which typically means they're an employee. For W2 employees, lenders usually just want Line 1 of the 1040 or Box 1 of the W2. Pre-tax retirement contributions don't usually get added back in unless the loan is borderline and they need to squeeze out a bit more qualifying income. If they're trying to qualify for a specific loan amount, they might want to know the maximum income they can claim. But generally, mortgage underwriters follow pretty standardized guidelines for W2 employees.
Miguel Ramos
Just wondering - have you considered using a professional tax preparer who specializes in self-employed taxes? I was in a similar boat last year and paid a CPA who works with gig workers. Cost me about $250 but was totally worth it for the peace of mind. They helped me organize my documentation and told me exactly what I needed to keep for the future. They also told me that most Schedule C audits happen because of wildly inappropriate deductions, not because your income happened to maximize the EIC. As long as your deductions are reasonable and you have some form of records, you're probably fine.
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Amara Okafor
β’I thought about that but was trying to save money since my income is already pretty tight. Do you think it's worth the cost even if my situation isn't super complicated? Did they find any deductions you missed or was it just for the reassurance?
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Miguel Ramos
β’Yes, I think it's worth the cost even for a relatively straightforward situation, especially in your first year or two of self-employment. The CPA actually found several deductions I had missed - part of my phone bill, a portion of my internet, some office supplies I'd forgotten about. These additional deductions saved me around $400 in taxes, so the service more than paid for itself. The peace of mind was the biggest value though. Having a professional review everything and say "this looks correct" eliminated so much anxiety. They also gave me a simple system for tracking everything this year, which has made the whole process much easier. If money is tight, you might look into VITA (Volunteer Income Tax Assistance) which offers free tax help for people who make under $60,000.
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QuantumQuasar
One thing to consider is to double check your actual EIC calculation. The maximum EIC benefit varies based on your filing status and number of qualifying children. For 2024 taxes (2025 filing season), the maximum EIC is around $7,430 with three or more qualifying children, $6,604 with two children, $3,995 with one child, and $600 with no children. The income sweet spot for maximum EIC is roughly between $14,800 and $21,560 depending on your filing status and number of dependents. So your income might naturally fall in that range without any manipulation.
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Zainab Omar
β’This is a good point. The IRS isn't suspicious of people who happen to be in the EIC range - they're looking for people who make up fake income or dependents. Lots of legitimate self-employed people naturally fall into this income range.
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