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I'm a bookkeeper (not a tax pro) but have seen both sides of this question with different clients. Here's what I've observed: Tax relief companies: - Often charge $3k-5k upfront - Many use aggressive sales tactics - Some deliver great results, others do very little - They basically do the same paperwork you could do yourself Tax attorneys: - More expensive ($400/hr adds up fast) - Usually more thorough and knowledgeable - Better for complex situations or if you're facing criminal charges - Often overkill for straightforward payment plans For $68k in debt on $52k income, you might actually do fine with an Enrolled Agent who specializes in tax resolution. They usually charge $150-200/hr or flat fees for specific services like OIC applications.
Have you seen clients successfully do this themselves without professional help? I'm in a similar situation but really can't afford to pay someone thousands right now. Is the DIY route completely impossible?
I have seen clients successfully handle smaller tax debts themselves, especially for straightforward installment agreements. The IRS website actually has decent self-help resources for setting up payment plans. For your situation though, I'd be cautious about going completely DIY. The OIC program has a very specific formula and about 60% of applications get rejected, often for simple errors or missing documentation. If you do try the DIY route, get the IRS Form 656 Booklet which walks through the whole process. Also consider getting just 1-2 hours of consultation with a professional to review your application before submission - this middle ground approach can save you money while avoiding major mistakes.
Does anyone know if these tax relief companies can actually deliver on claims to settle "for pennies on the dollar"? I've seen those commercials for years and always wondered if they're just scamming desperate people or if they have some secret formula for getting the IRS to accept low settlements.
Those "pennies on the dollar" claims are very misleading. What they're referring to is the IRS Offer in Compromise (OIC) program, which is completely legitimate but has very specific qualifying criteria. The reality is that only a small percentage of taxpayers actually qualify for significant reductions. The IRS uses a formula based on your income, expenses, assets, and ability to pay. If you have significant income or assets relative to your tax debt, you likely won't qualify for a dramatic reduction.
Another option nobody mentioned is pulling your credit report. I've had situations where income was misreported under my SSN, and reviewing all accounts on my credit report helped me identify where the error might have come from. Sometimes it's a company you forgot about or an account that was opened fraudulently.
Would a credit report really show income though? I thought it just showed credit accounts and payment history, not actual income reporting. Did you find specific income information there?
You're right that the credit report itself doesn't show income directly. What I meant was that reviewing your credit report can remind you of accounts you may have forgotten about (old bank accounts, investments, etc.) that might have generated income. For example, in my case, I saw an old investment account on my credit report that I had forgotten about, which led me to contact that company, and sure enough, they had issued a 1099 for a small amount of dividend income. The credit report was just a starting point to jog my memory about possible income sources I might have overlooked.
If you filed with tax software like TurboTax or H&R Block, sometimes they offer audit support or tax notice assistance. Check if your filing package included this - they might help you figure out the discrepancy without additional cost.
If your income was reduced because of maternity leave, did you receive any disability or family leave payments? Some states provide these benefits, and they might count differently for tax purposes than regular wages. This could potentially affect your total "earned income" calculation for the child tax credit. Also, check if you qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) with your income level and two dependents - that might help offset some of the reduced child tax credit.
Yes actually I did get short-term disability for about 6 weeks, but it wasn't much (about $3,200). I didn't realize that might count differently! Does disability count as earned income for the child tax credit calculation? I did qualify for the EITC which helped, but was still counting on more from the child tax credit since I got the full amount last year.
Short-term disability payments generally don't count as earned income for purposes of the child tax credit calculation. Earned income typically includes only wages, salaries, tips, and net earnings from self-employment. That explains part of your situation. If your W-2 wages were $6,630 but some of your total income came from disability payments, then only the W-2 amount would count toward the earned income calculation for the Additional Child Tax Credit. Good that you qualified for the EITC though - with two children and your income level, that can be a significant help.
Has anyone tried amending their tax return from last year to claim missed credits? I just realized I had a similar situation with reduced income during maternity leave but didn't know about how the child tax credit calculation worked. I think I might have left money on the table.
You can definitely file an amended return using Form 1040-X, but there's a 3-year deadline from the original filing date. So if you're talking about last year's taxes, you have plenty of time. Just make sure you have documentation for everything and be prepared for a long wait - amended returns can take 16+ weeks to process right now.
Breaking even is actually kind of rare in my experience! I've been doing my family's taxes for years and we either owe a bit or get a small refund, never exactly zero. Maybe buy your tax guy a drink for getting it so perfect lol. One thing to check - did you have any unusual one-time events this year? Like selling stock, starting/ending a side business, moving to a different state? Those can sometimes create these perfect storm situations where everything balances out.
Actually I did start a small side business this year that lost about $3,800, and I sold some long-term investments that had gained around $4,200. I wonder if those mostly canceling each other out contributed to this situation.
That explains it perfectly! Your capital gains from the investments were likely offset by your business losses. Since they were long-term gains, they're taxed at a different rate than ordinary income, but the business loss can offset both types of income. Your tax preparer did a good job navigating this. If you're planning to continue the side business, you might want to talk to them about estimated tax payments for next year, especially if you expect the business to become profitable. This break-even situation probably won't repeat unless you have a similar pattern of gains and losses.
anyone else actually PREFER to break even? i always set my w4 to try to get as close to zero as possible. my coworkers think im crazy because they all want big refunds but i'd rather have my money during the year!!
Malik Davis
Former film payroll person here! Let me clarify something: in the film industry, whether you're classified as an employee (W-2) or independent contractor (1099) often depends on the production company's payroll practices and sometimes the state you're working in. Most legitimate productions run extras through payroll as W-2 employees because they control when you work, what you wear, where you stand, etc. - all factors that make you an employee under IRS guidelines. Some smaller productions might incorrectly classify extras as independent contractors (1099) to avoid paying the employer portion of taxes, but that's often misclassification. If you received a W-2, be thankful! The production did it correctly, and you don't have to pay self-employment tax. Your friend who files as self-employed likely receives 1099s instead of W-2s.
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Isabella Santos
ā¢Wait, does that mean if I'm getting 1099s as an extra I'm being misclassified? I've been paying self-employment taxes for years but the production companies totally control everything about my work!
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Malik Davis
ā¢You might indeed be misclassified. The IRS uses a control test - if the company controls what you do and how you do it, you should generally be classified as an employee (W-2), not an independent contractor (1099). For film extras, since the production tells you exactly when to show up, what to wear, where to stand, when to move, etc., you typically meet the definition of an employee. Some production companies misclassify extras as independent contractors to save on payroll taxes, but this isn't usually correct under IRS guidelines. If you believe you're misclassified, you can file Form SS-8 with the IRS for a determination, though be aware this might create tension with companies that hire you.
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StarStrider
One thing nobody mentioned - if you got a W-2 and had federal taxes withheld, you should DEFINITELY file even if you're not required to! Otherwise, you're just giving the government free money that should be returned to you as a refund. Check box 2 on your W-2 form. If there's any amount there, that's money that was taken from your paycheck for federal taxes. With only $8800 in income for the year and being a student, you'll likely get most or all of that back. I made a similar mistake my first year working in film and lost out on a $700 refund because I waited too long to file. Don't make my mistake!
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Keisha Robinson
ā¢Wow thank you!!! I just checked my W-2 and there's almost $500 in box 2! I had no idea I might get that back. I'm definitely filing now!
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Ravi Gupta
ā¢You can still claim refunds for up to 3 years after the filing deadline! If your mistake was within the last 3 years, you can still file for those years and get your money.
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