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Another option might be to verify the SSN issue with the Social Security Administration first, rather than assuming it's just because the SSNs are new. There could be a discrepancy between what's on the card and what's in their system. I had a similar issue last year where the client had a child with a perfectly valid SSN from the previous year, but their last name had changed due to adoption. The SSA had the update but it hadn't propagated to the IRS yet. Have you checked that the Social Security records match exactly what you're entering? Name spelling, birth date, everything? Sometimes these minor differences cause rejections even when the SSN itself is valid.
That's a great point I hadn't considered! I did confirm with the parents that the names on the Social Security cards match exactly what we're entering on the return, including middle initials and spelling. Birth dates also match perfectly. The only unusual aspect is that these are twins born in December, but they didn't receive their actual SSN cards until February this year. I'm wondering if maybe the SSA records could have some discrepancy even though the physical cards look correct?
Twins born in December with SSNs issued in February definitely points to the "new SSN not in database" issue. But it's always worth double-checking with SSA directly just to rule out any other problems. You can verify the SSNs with the Social Security Administration by going to their office with your clients (with proper authorization forms) or by having your clients request a Social Security Statement. If everything checks out with SSA, then it's almost certainly just the delay in the information transfer between SSA and IRS systems. Given that information and the timing, I'd probably recommend paper filing now rather than waiting for an extension. Even with the current backlog, the paper return should still be processed well before October.
Don't forget that there's a significant difference in how quickly different IRS processing centers handle paper returns. Where your clients live makes a huge difference! Paper returns sent to the Austin center seem to be moving faster right now (about 5 weeks), while Kansas City is taking closer to 8-9 weeks based on what I've seen with my clients this season. Make sure to use certified mail with tracking so you have proof of when it was delivered! I've had clients' paper returns get "lost" before, and the tracking receipt was the only thing that saved us from having to resubmit and start the clock all over again.
Don't forget that if you can't pay the full amount by April 15th, you should STILL FILE YOUR RETURN ON TIME! A lot of first-time filers think "well I can't pay so I'll just file late" and that's the worst thing you can do. The penalty for filing late is 5% of the unpaid taxes for each month or part of a month that the return is late, up to 25% of your unpaid taxes. The penalty for paying late is only 0.5% per month. Huge difference!
Whoa I had no idea there were different penalties! So if I file on time but can't pay everything, I'll only get the smaller penalty? Is there any way to avoid penalties completely if I just need like an extra month to pay?
Exactly! Always file on time even if you can't pay - the filing penalty is 10 times higher than the payment penalty. It's one of the most expensive mistakes new filers make. If you just need an extra month or two, you might qualify for a short-term payment plan with minimal or no setup fee through the IRS website. For extremely short delays (like a few weeks), sometimes you can call and request a one-time extension without penalties, but this is case-by-case and not guaranteed. Your best bet is to pay as much as you can by April 15th to minimize the amount subject to penalties, then set up a formal payment arrangement for the rest.
Anyone know if state tax payment deadlines are different from federal? I always get confused about this.
Make sure you consider all your income sources when filling out the W4. Since the 2020 redesign, the form is supposed to be more accurate but it's also more complicated. If you have any investment income, side hustles, rental property, etc. that might not have withholding, you'll need to account for that by either doing quarterly estimated payments or increasing your withholding at your main job.
Thanks for bringing this up! I do have about $3,000 a year from a small side gig. Should I be accounting for that directly on the W4 or should I be doing those quarterly payments you mentioned?
For $3,000 in side income, you have two options. You can include it on your W4 by adding the estimated tax amount in Step 4(a) as "other income" which will increase your withholding from your main job to cover it. Alternatively, you could make quarterly estimated payments. This is often better if your side income fluctuates a lot. The rule of thumb is if you expect to owe more than $1,000 at tax time, you should make estimated payments to avoid an underpayment penalty. For $3,000 in extra income, you're probably looking at around $500-700 in additional tax depending on your tax bracket.
Don't overthink this! The W4 isn't as complicated as people make it out to be. For your situation, just check "married filing separately," put your dependent in Step 3, and leave the rest blank if you only have one job with no other income. If you want to be super safe, put an extra $50 per paycheck in line 4(c) for additional withholding. Better to get a small refund than owe!
This is bad advice. Blanket recommendations like "put an extra $50" don't account for specific situations. That could be way too much or too little depending on income level and other factors. The whole point of the new W4 is to be more precise.
Something nobody's mentioned yet - if you file jointly, both of you are responsible for the entire tax return. If your spouse has any sketchy tax situations or might be underreporting income, you could be on the hook too. Just something to consider if that's a concern! My brother got hit with a huge tax bill from his ex-wife's unreported income from years they filed jointly, even though they were already divorced by the time the IRS caught it.
This is such an important point! When my friend got married, her husband had back taxes and liens. When they filed jointly, her refund got seized to pay HIS old tax debts. She was furious because she had no idea this could happen.
Exactly! The IRS calls it "joint and several liability" which basically means both spouses are fully responsible for all taxes due, regardless of who earned the income or claimed deductions. There is something called "innocent spouse relief" that can help in extreme cases, but it's difficult to qualify for and a huge hassle to go through. Much easier to just file separately if you have any concerns about your spouse's tax situation.
I might be the outlier here but filing separately actually saved us money last year. My wife has tons of medical expenses (over 12% of her income) and when we filed separately, she was able to deduct them since they exceeded 7.5% of just her income. When we calculated jointly, the combined income was too high for her to get the medical deduction. Saved us about $1,200 doing it separately!
This is a great point! Another situation where filing separately can help: income-based student loan repayment. If one spouse has federal student loans on an income-driven repayment plan, filing separately can keep their payments lower since only their income counts.
You're absolutely right about the student loan situation! I forgot to mention that was actually another factor for us. My wife is on an income-based repayment plan for her grad school loans, and filing separately kept her monthly payments about $180 lower than they would have been if we filed jointly. The tradeoff is we lost some tax credits, but the yearly savings on loan payments more than made up for it. Definitely a situation where you need to do the math both ways.
Alicia Stern
Just an additional tip - you mentioned using Melio for the second payment, which is smart. For future reference, there are several business-focused payment platforms that make tax reporting much cleaner: Bill.com, Melio, and QuickBooks Payments all integrate directly with accounting software and automatically track contractor payments for 1099 purposes. Costs a bit more in fees than PayPal friends & family (obviously), but the tax compliance and automatic tracking is totally worth it.
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Gabriel Graham
ā¢Do those services automatically generate and file the 1099-NECs at the end of the year? That's my biggest headache with contractors.
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Alicia Stern
ā¢Yes, all three services I mentioned can automatically generate and e-file 1099-NECs based on the payments you've processed through them throughout the year. They collect and verify contractor W-9 information upfront and track all payments. QuickBooks is probably the most comprehensive if you use their accounting system too, but even standalone Melio or Bill.com will handle the 1099 filing process. They usually charge a small fee per 1099 (like $3-5 each), but the time saved and accuracy is absolutely worth it compared to manually preparing them.
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Drake
I messed this up last year too! My accountant told me that for small amounts like this, the practical reality is that as long as YOU report it properly as a business expense and issue the 1099-NEC, and your contractor reports the income on their taxes, the IRS generally won't flag anything. The biggest problem happens when you deduct it but don't issue a 1099, then the contractor also doesn't report it as income. That's when audits happen.
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Sarah Jones
ā¢I agree with this. I've been running a small photography business for 5 years and have occasionally messed up payment classifications. As long as you issue the correct 1099s at tax time, how you actually transferred the money is less important. The IRS wants the income reported correctly on both sides.
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