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Have you looked at your actual federal and state tax brackets? California has some of the highest state income taxes in the country, but their withholding tables and calculations are different from federal ones. If you had additional income this year that wasn't properly withheld (bonuses, investment income, cryptocurrency sales, side gig), that would cause you to owe federally but might not affect your state taxes the same way. Check line 16 on your federal 1040 form (total federal tax) and compare it to last year. Is it significantly higher? That could point to what changed.

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Lucas Parker

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Just checked my forms from this year and last year. You're right - my total federal tax (line 16) jumped from $22k last year to $37k this year! But my federal withholding only went up slightly. I think the side gig income plus not adjusting my W-4 after getting married really did mess things up. Now I'm wondering if I should adjust my California withholding too, or if I should leave it alone since I'm getting a refund there? I don't want to end up owing both federal AND state next year.

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That's a huge jump in your tax liability! Definitely don't leave your California withholding alone just because you got a refund this year. Your goal should be to get close to zero on both returns (not owing much and not getting much refunded). For the most accurate withholding, I'd recommend using both the IRS withholding calculator for federal and the California FTB's DE 4 form for state withholding. They'll help you account for both your W-2 income and your side gig. Also, you should start making quarterly estimated tax payments for your side business - that alone would have prevented a big chunk of what you're owing.

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Quick question - are you using the same filing status for both federal and state returns? If you're Married Filing Jointly on federal but using a different status on state, that could explain part of the discrepancy.

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Caleb Bell

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Not OP but this happened to me once. I filed MFJ on federal but accidentally filed as Single on my state return. Made a huge difference in what I owed vs. what I got back. Always double-check your filing status across both returns!

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Lucas Parker

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I checked and I'm using Married Filing Jointly for both returns. So that's not causing the issue. But I've realized I really messed up by not updating my W-4 after getting married and not accounting for my side income. I'm going to fix both issues right away! The good news is I just talked to the IRS about a payment plan (finally got through!) and they were actually super helpful. Going to spread the payments over 36 months which makes it much more manageable. And I'll be adjusting my withholding immediately so this doesn't happen again next year.

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Omar Mahmoud

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Something important nobody's mentioned yet - if you're investing that much into app development, you should also look into the R&D tax credit (officially called the Credit for Increasing Research Activities). Software development often qualifies, and it's a dollar-for-dollar credit, not just a deduction. With $270K spent, a significant portion might qualify if it went to developers working on technological innovation. You'd use Form 6765, and the credit can be up to 20% of qualified research expenses. For startups, there's even a provision to apply up to $250,000 against your payroll taxes if you don't have income tax liability.

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This is really helpful! A lot of that money did go to developers creating new algorithms for the app. Is there a specific way I need to document these expenses to qualify for the R&D credit? And can I claim this credit as a single-member LLC?

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Omar Mahmoud

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You can absolutely claim the R&D credit as a single-member LLC, since the credit will flow through to your personal return. Documentation is crucial though - you need to track not just the expenses but also what specifically was being developed. For developer costs to qualify, you need to document what technical uncertainties they were addressing, the process of experimentation, and how it relies on hard sciences (computer science counts). Keep timesheets showing hours spent on qualified activities, project plans showing the research component, and any technical documentation describing the innovations.

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Chloe Harris

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I was in almost identical situation with my fitness app startup. Make sure you're not missing deductions for home office if you're working from home (must be exclusive use area), any business travel, business portion of phone/internet, cloud services, contractor payments, etc. One thing that bit me: if your app has users already but isn't monetized yet, technically you're already "in business" not "startup phase" according to the IRS. This affected which expenses I could deduct immediately vs amortize.

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Diego Vargas

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Did you face any issues with the IRS questioning your business vs hobby status since you weren't profitable? I've heard they scrutinize tech startups that show losses for multiple years.

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Paolo Ricci

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Just want to add another data point here - I have a Delaware C-Corp but operate from Canada. I use the Ogden, UT address because my principal business activities occur in Canada. My accountant confirmed this is correct. Remember that Form 5472 has specific requirements for foreign-owned U.S. corporations. Make sure you're keeping adequate records of transactions between your corporation and foreign related parties (including yourself). The penalties for incorrect or late filing of Form 5472 are steep - $25,000 per form!

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Amina Toure

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Are there any special considerations for the 5472 when all the company's income is from digital products? My Delaware corp sells software but I'm the only employee and I live in Germany.

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Paolo Ricci

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For digital products, the 5472 requirements still apply, but you need to be especially careful about documenting any IP rights or licensing between you and the corporation. Since you're in Germany and the only employee, all transactions between you and the company need proper documentation and arm's length pricing. Make sure you're tracking any payments for services you provide to the corporation, any IP you're licensing to it, and any other transactions that cross borders. Digital businesses have a tendency to blur these lines, which can create issues with the 5472. Consider having transfer pricing documentation prepared, even for a small operation.

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Has anyone used TurboTax Business for filing these forms? I'm wondering if it automatically determines the correct filing address based on your situation or if I need to manually select.

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I tried using TurboTax Business for my foreign-owned corp last year and it was a disaster. It didn't handle the 5472 properly and didn't clearly indicate which mailing address to use. Ended up having to redo everything with a CPA who specializes in international taxation.

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Thanks for sharing your experience. That's really disappointing to hear about TurboTax Business. I was hoping to save some money by doing it myself, but sounds like I might need to look for a specialist CPA after all. Did you find someone reasonable who understands these foreign-ownership situations?

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The medical expense deduction can be tricky! I'm a long-time caregiver for my mother and here's what I've learned: For the bus fare documentation, create what the IRS calls "contemporaneous documentation" - make a simple spreadsheet with date, doctor name, medical purpose, and transportation cost. Sign and date it as a declared record. This carries more weight than you might think. Also don't forget other potential medical transportation deductions: taxis, parking fees, tolls, ambulance services, and even meals and lodging if overnight stays were required for treatment. One thing to consider - if your mom is elderly or disabled and the medical transportation was primarily for her care, you might qualify for additional dependent care credits depending on your relationship and support provided.

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Does the IRS ever actually check these kinds of deductions? I've been taking medical deductions for years and never been asked for receipts. I'm wondering if creating all this documentation is even necessary.

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The IRS uses statistical algorithms to flag returns for review, and medical deductions that are unusually large relative to income are definitely one of the triggers they look for. While many people never get audited, when it happens, you'll need to provide documentation for everything. Creating good records isn't just about avoiding audits though. It's about accuracy and peace of mind. I've seen cases where people missed legitimate deductions because they didn't keep good records. The documentation system I described takes less than an hour to set up and can potentially save thousands in deductions. It's definitely worth the small effort for that potential return.

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Isaac Wright

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Don't forget about the medical mileage rate if she ever uses a personal vehicle for appointments! It was 22 cents per mile for 2023.

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Maya Diaz

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OP already said neither her mom nor she have a car. Reading comprehension ftw.

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Just to add some helpful info here - if you're filing as an independent contractor, you'll typically want to use exempt code "1" (I am exempt from backup withholding) UNLESS you've received a notice from the IRS specifically telling you that you're subject to backup withholding. Make sure you're keeping all your transaction records from the payment app too, especially since you're over 200 transactions. Even without a 1099-K, you should have an accurate record of your income for your Schedule C. Also don't forget to track your business expenses like piercing supplies, sterilization equipment, etc. to deduct against that income!

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Ava Kim

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Thanks for this! Do you know if I need to do anything special to prove my income since I won't have a 1099? Should I download all my transaction history from the app as proof?

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Yes, definitely download and save all your transaction history from the payment app. I recommend exporting it to a spreadsheet if that option is available, and categorizing each transaction (income vs. deposits that will be returned, etc). For tax filing purposes, you don't need to submit proof of income with your return, but you absolutely should keep those records for at least 3 years in case of an audit. Also make sure you're tracking all your business expenses with receipts - things like needles, jewelry, gloves, cleaning supplies, and even a percentage of your phone bill if you use it to schedule clients. Good record-keeping can save you a lot in taxes through legitimate business deductions.

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Has anyone used TurboTax for filing as an independent contractor with payment app income? I'm wondering if it handles this situation well or if I should look at a different tax software.

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I used TurboTax last year for my dog walking business which also uses payment apps. It worked pretty well - there's a self-employment section that walks you through entering income and expenses, even without a 1099. Just make sure you get the Self-Employed version, not the basic one.

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