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Have you considered doing it yourself instead? I switched from paying $800+ to using tax software for my S Corp about two years ago. There's definitely a learning curve, but once you understand the forms (which it sounds like you already do), it's not that complicated for a simple structure like yours. I use TaxAct Business which costs around $110 for federal + state 1120S. First year took me about 6-7 hours, second year was down to about 3 hours. Considering I was saving $700+, that's a pretty good hourly rate for my time. The software walks you through everything and has built-in error checking. Since you're already organizing everything line-by-line, you're doing half the work anyway.

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Does the software handle the reasonable compensation requirements and QBI calculations properly? I tried doing my own S Corp return once and ended up with a notice from the IRS about my salary being too low relative to distributions. Cost me way more than what I saved on preparation.

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The software does have warnings about reasonable compensation if your salary seems too low compared to distributions, but it doesn't give specific guidance on what's "reasonable" - that's still on you to research and determine. For QBI, it does the calculations automatically once you enter all the required information. The wizard asks you questions about your business type and aggregation elections to determine eligibility. It's actually handled really well. You're right that getting those aspects wrong can be costly - I spent extra time researching those specific areas before filing. There are also some good YouTube tutorials specifically on S Corp tax prep using the major software packages that helped me avoid common mistakes.

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Just want to point out something others haven't mentioned - those national chains often have staff with varying levels of experience. If you're paying on the lower end ($600), you're likely getting a newer preparer who's basically following a script and entering data. If you're paying closer to $1500, you should be getting a more experienced preparer who's doing more analysis. My advice? If you really want to stick with a professional, find a small local CPA firm that specializes in small businesses. They'll often charge similar to what you're paying now but provide WAY more value - actual tax planning, mid-year check-ins, business advice, etc. The national chains are basically factories during tax season with huge staff turnover.

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Taylor To

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That makes a lot of sense about the experience levels. I think I'm actually going to look into a local firm based on your suggestion. I'm realizing now I've been evaluating purely on price rather than value. I don't mind paying the same amount if I'm getting actual business advice along with the tax prep. Do you think it's too late to switch for this tax season, or should I wait until next year?

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Logan Chiang

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I've found that the accuracy of WMR also depends on how you filed. E-filed returns with direct deposit are the most accurate with WMR updates. Paper filed or mailed returns can be super unreliable on the tool. My parents mail their returns every year (they're old school) and WMR barely works for them, but for me with e-file it's spot on.

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Isla Fischer

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Does WMR work differently for amended returns? I filed an amendment about 5 weeks ago and it's still not showing up anywhere.

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Logan Chiang

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Amended returns are completely different! For those, you need to use the "Where's My Amended Return" tool instead of the regular WMR. It's a separate system entirely. Amended returns also take much longer to process - the IRS says to allow up to 16 weeks (although in recent years it's been taking even longer for many people). The tracking for amendments is also much less detailed than regular returns. You'll typically just see "received," "adjusted," or "completed" without the specific deposit information that the regular WMR provides.

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Hey guys major PSA about WMR - if you check it too many times in one day, it will lock you out temporarily! Learned this the hard way when I was obsessively checking every hour lol. Had to wait 24 hours to get back in. So don't be like me 🤣

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Ruby Blake

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OMG this happened to me too!! So frustrating. Does anyone know how many times is "too many" before it locks you out?

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Don't forget another important consideration: state taxes! Depending on your state, the rental income might be taxed differently than your regular income. Some states have additional requirements for landlords too. Also, it might be worth looking into setting up an LLC for your rental property for liability protection. That can have different tax implications depending on how you file. I'd recommend talking to a CPA who specializes in real estate before you make the switch.

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I hadn't even thought about state taxes or the LLC angle. Do you know if forming an LLC changes how depreciation works? And would I need to file a separate business tax return if I create an LLC?

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A single-member LLC is typically treated as a "disregarded entity" for tax purposes, so you'd still report everything on your personal return using Schedule E. The depreciation works the same way regardless of whether you have an LLC or not. You generally don't need to file a separate business return for a single-member LLC used for rental property. However, if you elect to have your LLC taxed as an S-corp (which some people do to potentially save on self-employment taxes), then you would file a separate return. But for most small landlords with one property, keeping it simple with a disregarded LLC is usually the way to go.

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Has anyone used TurboTax for reporting rental income? Is the premium version good enough to handle all this rental stuff or do I need to pay for a CPA? I'm trying to figure out if I can manage this myself or if it's too complicated.

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AaliyahAli

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I used TurboTax Premier last year for my rental and it worked fine. It walks you through all the Schedule E stuff and helps calculate depreciation. Just make sure you keep really good records of your expenses throughout the year. The one time I got confused, I used their live help feature and the tax expert cleared things up quickly.

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Hey everyone, I'm a tax preparer (not a CPA) and I see this Form 8863 issue all the time. Another thing to check is if you received any scholarships or grants. Those reduce your qualified education expenses for the Lifetime Learning Credit calculation. For example, if you paid $5000 in tuition but received a $4000 scholarship, you can only use $1000 as your qualified education expense. That might be why you're ending up with zero, especially if your education expenses weren't that high after considering scholarships. Also, make sure you're eligible for the credit based on your income. The Lifetime Learning Credit phases out at higher income levels (starts phasing out at $80,000 for single filers and $160,000 for joint filers for 2024 returns).

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That's a great point! I didn't even think about my scholarship reducing my eligible expenses. I received about $3,500 in scholarships last year. So if my tuition was $5,000, I would only be able to claim $1,500 for the Lifetime Learning Credit?

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That's exactly right! You would only be able to claim $1,500 as your qualified education expenses in that scenario. And remember, the Lifetime Learning Credit is calculated as 20% of your qualified expenses, so your potential credit would be $300 ($1,500 Ɨ 20%). Then, that potential credit amount gets compared to your remaining tax liability on the Credit Limit Worksheet. If your remaining tax liability is less than $300 (or zero), that's why you'd end up with zero or a reduced credit amount on line 19 of Form 8863.

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Max Knight

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Has anyone tried using a different tax software? I was using FreeTaxUSA and had the exact same issue with Form 8863 and the Lifetime Learning Credit. Switched to TaxSlayer and somehow it calculated a credit for me. Not sure if it's correct but it definitely gave me a different result.

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Emma Swift

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I used both TurboTax and H&R Block and got the same zero result with the Lifetime Learning Credit. I think different software might do the calculations slightly differently, but the end result should be the same if you're entering the same information. Might be worth double-checking that you input everything identically in both programs.

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Just an FYI - I work at a tax prep office and we're seeing lots of clients in this exact situation. The distinction between Zelle and other payment apps is important. Zelle operates differently because it's owned by banks, not a separate payment processor. Zelle claims they don't issue 1099-Ks at all because they're just facilitating direct bank-to-bank transfers, not actually processing payments themselves. But that doesn't mean you're off the hook! If you're getting regularly scheduled payments of the same amount, that looks exactly like income to the IRS. If you get audited, they'll ask for bank statements and those Zelle deposits will be right there. Better to report it all now than pay penalties and interest later.

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Thanks for this info! So even if Zelle doesn't report it, I should still be reporting this income? Would I just add it as "miscellaneous income" or would I need to file as self-employed with a Schedule C?

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You should definitely report the income regardless of whether Zelle issues a 1099-K. Since you're receiving regular payments for work performed, this would be considered self-employment income, not miscellaneous income. You'll need to file Schedule C to report your business income and expenses, and Schedule SE to calculate your self-employment tax. This is actually better for you in many ways because with Schedule C, you can deduct legitimate business expenses that reduce your taxable income. If you have a home office, use your phone for work, or have any other expenses related to this work, those can potentially be deductible.

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Is anyone else noticing that the payment apps are super inconsistent with reporting? I get payments through CashApp, Venmo AND Zelle for my small business and last year only PayPal sent me a 1099-K even though I made over $10k on each platform.

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Dylan Cooper

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Same experience here. I got a 1099-K from PayPal but nothing from Venmo despite making similar amounts on both. I reported everything anyway because I don't want headaches with the IRS, but the inconsistency is frustrating. I think different platforms are interpreting the requirements differently.

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