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Have you considered a Solo 401k instead of a SEP IRA? I switched from SEP to Solo 401k last year because you can potentially contribute even more. With a Solo 401k, you can contribute both as the employer (like with SEP) AND as an employee up to the regular 401k limits. The main disadvantage is a bit more paperwork, especially once your balance exceeds $250k, when you'll need to file Form 5500-EZ. But if maximizing your tax-advantaged retirement savings is your goal, it might be worth exploring.
Thanks, that's interesting! Do the same general tax advantages apply? Like with the SEP, would I still see a similar reduction in my current tax burden if I contributed the same amount to a Solo 401k?
Yes, you'd get the same tax deduction for equivalent contributions. The tax treatment is identical - both reduce your current tax burden and grow tax-deferred until withdrawal. The main advantage of Solo 401k is that you can potentially contribute more in total. For example, in 2023 you could contribute up to $22,500 as an "employee" contribution plus the same employer contribution you'd make with a SEP (up to 25% of compensation with a combined limit of $66,000). If you're over 50, you also get an additional $7,500 catch-up contribution option with the Solo 401k. Many people don't realize that a Solo 401k can be fairly simple to set up with major brokerages like Fidelity, Vanguard, or Charles Schwab.
One thing nobody has mentioned yet - make sure you're still keeping enough liquid cash on hand for emergencies before maxing out retirement accounts. I learned this the hard way when I put too much into my SEP one year, then had a major business expense come up and had to take an early distribution. The penalties and taxes were painful! The standard advice is to have 3-6 months of expenses saved in an emergency fund before maximizing retirement contributions. For self-employed folks, I'd even suggest 6-12 months since income can be more volatile.
This is so true. I maxed out my SEP last year and felt great about the tax savings, then my biggest client terminated their contract unexpectedly. I would have been in serious trouble if I hadn't kept a decent emergency fund. How much did you end up paying in penalties when you had to take that early distribution?
Wait, so if you work for a foreign mission but are a US citizen, do you have to follow the same process? My situation is different because I do owe income tax as a US citizen, but my employer doesn't withhold anything. Been doing quarterly payments but not sure if I file Schedule C or just regular W-2 income or what?
As a US citizen working for a foreign mission, your situation is actually a bit different. You DO owe both income tax and self-employment tax since US citizens are taxed on worldwide income. You wouldn't use Schedule C because you're an employee, not a business owner. Instead, you'd report your income on Line 1 of Form 1040 as wages, then complete Schedule SE to calculate your self-employment tax obligation. Make sure you're getting credit for those quarterly payments by reporting them on your return. And keep good records of everything because this situation often triggers questions from the IRS simply because it's less common.
Thanks for clearing that up! So basically treat it like regular wage income on the 1040, but also file Schedule SE for the self-employment portion? And I assume my quarterly payments go on the 1040-ES line? Do I need any special statement or form since my employer gave me their country's version of income documentation rather than a W-2?
I'm really late to this conversation, but I just wanted to say THANK YOU to everyone who contributed. I have this exact situation (working for foreign mission, exempt from income tax but not SE tax) and have been stressing about it for months. I ended up using the advice here about filing Form 1040 with an attached statement explaining the treaty exemption, along with Schedule SE. Filed it all last week and just got confirmation that it was accepted! One tip for anyone else in this situation: I called the Taxpayer Advocate Service and they were actually really helpful. They couldn't give specific tax advice but did confirm this was the correct approach and pointed me to the exact IRS publications that cover this scenario.
Do you mind sharing which publications they recommended? I'm in a similar situation but working for an international organization rather than a foreign mission, and I'm trying to understand if the rules are the same.
They pointed me to Publication 519 (U.S. Tax Guide for Aliens) which has a section on employees of foreign governments and international organizations. Also Publication 54 (Tax Guide for U.S. Citizens and Resident Aliens Abroad) had some relevant information. For international organizations, the rules are very similar but depend on whether your organization has specific tax privileges under International Organizations Immunities Act. The key thing is that while you might be exempt from income tax, you typically still owe self-employment tax unless covered by a totalization agreement with your home country.
Have you considered filing separately instead of jointly? In some situations with big income disparities and unusual one-time events like retirement withdrawals, it can make a difference. I'm not saying it will help in your case, but it might be worth running the numbers both ways. Also, check if any part of your withdrawal might qualify as a hardship distribution. The rules are strict, but sometimes people don't realize that certain expenses can qualify for penalty exemptions.
That's an interesting idea. I never thought about filing separately. We've always filed jointly since we got married. Would that really make a difference with the retirement withdrawal?
For most married couples, filing jointly results in lower taxes, but there are exceptions especially with unusual situations like yours. With such a large disparity in incomes and a significant retirement withdrawal, it's worth calculating both ways. The potential benefit comes from keeping your 403b withdrawal in a lower tax bracket by not combining it with your wife's higher income. However, you'll lose some tax credits and deductions when filing separately. It's really just a math exercise - calculate your taxes both ways and see which results in a lower total tax. Just be aware that if you file separately, both spouses must either itemize deductions or take the standard deduction - you can't mix approaches.
Another thing to consider - if you haven't filed yet, you could potentially make a contribution to an IRA for 2024 to offset some of the tax impact. You can still make prior-year IRA contributions until the tax filing deadline. Might help reduce your taxable income a bit.
This is good advice but won't help with the 10% penalty on the early withdrawal. Still worth doing though to reduce the overall tax hit. Also, with their income level, they might be limited in how much they can deduct for traditional IRA contributions.
I had this exact issue and what worked for me was sending a certified letter with return receipt requested containing: 1. A cover letter explaining the situation and referencing the notice number 2. A copy of the complete tax return clearly marked "COPY - PREVIOUSLY FILED" 3. Bank statements showing the estimated payment was processed 4. A printout of my TurboTax summary showing when the return was prepared 5. IRS Form 8962 (Request for Transcript of Tax Return) to have them search their records again Most importantly, I included IRS Form 911 (Taxpayer Advocate Service Application) which gets your case assigned to an advocate who can help push things through the system. This made a huge difference in getting resolution.
This is great advice, but I think you mean Form 4506-T for the transcript request, not 8962 (which is for Premium Tax Credits). The Taxpayer Advocate suggestion is gold though - they really can help with these situations!
You're absolutely right, thank you for catching that! It is Form 4506-T for requesting transcripts, not 8962. I mixed up my form numbers. The Taxpayer Advocate Service was definitely the key to resolving my case. They have more direct access to various departments and can often get answers when regular channels fail. They're especially helpful in cases like this where you have evidence the IRS actually received payment but is still sending non-filing notices.
Double check that the notice is actually legitimate! There are a ton of IRS scams going around. What's the notice number at the top right corner? Legitimate IRS notices have specific formats (like CP59 for unfiled returns). Also, real IRS letters won't ask you to call a different number than the main IRS line and won't ask for unusual payment methods.
It's a CP59 notice, and it directs us to IRS.gov and the main IRS phone number, so unfortunately I think it's legitimate. We also verified by calling the IRS directly (not using any number from the letter). I wish it was a scam - would be easier to deal with!
Yep, CP59 is definitely a legitimate IRS notice for unfiled tax returns. Good job verifying independently by calling the main IRS number. Since we're dealing with a 2020 return (filed in 2021), you should know the IRS is still working through a massive backlog from the pandemic years. Paper returns especially got backed up severely. I've seen cases where returns were sitting in trailers in IRS parking lots for months before processing. Even with the payment being processed, the physical return could have been separated or lost. Follow the advice others have given about sending a clearly marked copy with a detailed cover letter. Persistence is key with these situations!
Jace Caspullo
Does anyone know if TurboTax lets you track both your federal and state refunds in one place? I filed through them last year but had to use separate websites to check my refund statuses. Just wanting to know before I submit this year.
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Melody Miles
ā¢TurboTax does show the status of your federal refund in your account dashboard. For state refunds, it depends on which state you're in. Some states are integrated in the TurboTax tracking system, but for others, you'll still need to go to your state's tax department website to check. I'm in Texas so no state income tax to worry about, but when I lived in Illinois I had to check separately.
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Jace Caspullo
ā¢Thanks for the info! I'm in Michigan so I'll probably need to check separately. Was hoping they'd improved the tracking system since last year. I'll still use TurboTax since I'm familiar with it, but wish they'd make this part easier.
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Nathaniel Mikhaylov
Is the free version of TurboTax actually free or do they make you upgrade halfway through? I've been using FreeTaxUSA but considering switching this year.
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Eva St. Cyr
ā¢In my experience, TurboTax "Free Edition" usually tries to upsell you if you have anything beyond the most basic return. If you have any deductions, credits, self-employment income, etc., they'll tell you that you need to upgrade to Deluxe or higher. I switched to FreeTaxUSA a couple years ago and haven't looked back - much more straightforward pricing.
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