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Just a heads up about making payments without an installment agreement - the IRS can still send you to collections even if you're making regular payments. This happened to my brother even though he was paying $200/month consistently. The problem was that the IRS determined he could pay more based on their calculations, so they didn't consider his voluntary payments sufficient. He ended up getting a notice of intent to levy before he finally set up an official agreement. If your amount is under $10k, you should automatically qualify for an installment agreement, and it might be worth the hassle of setting it up for the peace of mind.
That's concerning to hear about your brother's experience. Do you know how much he owed in total? My balance is only $1,100 so I'm hoping that's small enough that they won't escalate to collections if I'm making consistent payments. Would hate to deal with a levy situation.
He owed about $7,500, so quite a bit more than your $1,100. The IRS typically doesn't take aggressive collection actions for smaller amounts if you're making regular payments. Their resources are limited and they generally focus on larger balances or people making no payments at all. For your amount, as long as you're making consistent payments and will have it paid off within a relatively short time (your 4-5 month timeline is very reasonable), you should be fine. Just keep documentation of all payments you make. If you do get any notices, respond to them promptly by calling and explaining your payment history. Lower balances like yours usually get more flexibility.
I just wanted to clarify something about Pay1040 that confused me when I was making payments last year. When selecting the form, "Form 1040 Series" covers regular 1040, 1040-SR, 1040-NR, etc. So yes, that's what you want. Also, when you make the payment there should be an option to select what type of payment it is. Choose "tax payment" (not estimated tax or anything else) and make sure to select the correct tax year. This ensures it gets applied correctly. One thing nobody mentioned is that Pay1040 charges a processing fee, I think it's around 1.87% if you use a debit card. So factor that into your calculations. If you're paying $1,100 over 5 months, that's about $4 extra per payment in fees.
You can avoid the processing fee if you use the direct bank account option instead of a card! I've been doing that for my quarterly estimated tax payments and it's free to process that way.
This sounds like your doctor friend is trying to avoid paying his share of employment taxes by making you a 1099 contractor instead of a W-2 employee. Classic move by small business owners trying to save money. Here's what you need to consider: 1. If he controls when and where you work, provides equipment, and directs how you perform tasks, you're legally an EMPLOYEE, not a contractor. 2. The "business" he wants you to create would just be a pass-through entity that doesn't change these facts. 3. The IRS has specific tests for worker classification and misclassification can lead to penalties. Don't let him off-load his tax obligations onto you! If you're functioning as an employee, you should be classified as one.
But aren't there legitimate advantages to being a contractor? I've heard you can deduct all kinds of things as business expenses - home office, car, phone, even meals sometimes. Couldn't those deductions make up for the extra taxes?
There are some legitimate advantages to being a contractor, but they rarely outweigh the costs for most workers. Yes, you can deduct business expenses, but there are strict rules about what qualifies. Home office deductions require exclusive use of that space for business. Vehicle deductions only apply to business use, not personal or commuting. Meal deductions are limited to 50% and must be directly related to business. These deductions rarely offset the additional 7.65% self-employment tax burden, loss of unemployment benefits, lack of workers' comp protection, no paid time off, and no employer-provided health insurance. Plus, you take on all the administrative burden of tax filings, estimated quarterly payments, and keeping meticulous records. For most personal assistants, employee status is financially advantageous unless the contractor rate is significantly higher.
I'd be worried about the 1099 vs W-2 classification issue here. If you're working regular hours, getting direct supervision, and only working for this one doctor, the IRS might see this as employee misclassification regardless of what you call it. Read up on Schedule C and self-employment taxes before you agree to anything! And definitely look at the IRS's 20-factor test for worker classification - just Google it.
The 20-factor test is actually outdated. The IRS now uses a simplified approach with three categories: Behavioral Control, Financial Control, and Relationship of the Parties. Much easier to understand than the old system. https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/independent-contractor-self-employed-or-employee
If you're looking for a clear visual of the tax law hierarchy, I found this mnemonic helpful when I was studying for the CPA exam: Constitution Statutes (IRC) Treasury Regulations Revenue Rulings/Procedures Court Cases (SupremeβCircuitβDistrict/Tax) IRS Pronouncements/Publications Private Letter Rulings/TAMs The "C-ST-RCP" (Constitution, Statutes, Treasury Regs, Revenue Rulings, Court Cases, Pronouncements, PLRs) helps remember the general order!
This is super helpful! Does this ordering change at all depending on whether you're dealing with federal vs. state tax issues? I'm trying to figure out where state tax court decisions fit in this hierarchy.
Great question! For state tax issues, you'd have a parallel hierarchy, starting with the State Constitution, then State Statutes, State Regulations, State Revenue Rulings, etc. For conflicts between federal and state tax law, federal law generally prevails due to the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution, but states have significant autonomy in creating their own tax systems. State tax court decisions would only be authoritative for that state's tax laws and wouldn't impact federal tax law interpretation.
Quick question - where do IRS Notices and Announcements fall in this hierarchy? My tax preparer cited IRS Notice 2020-75 for a position, but I'm not sure how authoritative that is compared to, say, a Revenue Procedure.
IRS Notices and Announcements generally fall below Revenue Procedures in the hierarchy. They're considered "official pronouncements of tax policy" but don't have the same weight as Revenue Rulings or Revenue Procedures. That said, Notice 2020-75 specifically is pretty influential regarding state and local tax (SALT) workarounds since it announced the Treasury's intent to issue regulations on a particular matter. If your tax preparer is citing it, it's probably relevant to your situation, but just know that if it ever directly conflicted with a statute or regulation, those higher sources would prevail.
One important thing nobody's mentioned yet: the 2-year holding period matters for Section 1231 treatment. Since you've held the property as a rental for exactly 2 years, you're right at the line for getting ordinary loss treatment. If it was less than 2 years, your loss would be a Section 1231 loss that's treated as ordinary under the "non-recaptured net Section 1231 losses" rules from the past 5 years. Also, be very careful with your documentation of that $470k valuation when you converted the property. The IRS often scrutinizes these conversions, especially when there's a loss involved. Get a formal appraisal or at least a comparative market analysis from a realtor that you can keep with your tax records.
Wait, I thought Section 1231 losses always get ordinary loss treatment regardless of holding period? Isn't the 1 year+ holding period just for determining if gains get capital gains treatment? I've been doing my taxes wrong if that's not the case!
You're right that Section 1231 losses are treated as ordinary losses regardless of holding period. I should have been more precise in my explanation. What I was referring to is that to qualify as Section 1231 property in the first place, the property must be used in a trade or business and held for more than 1 year. Since the OP has held it for 2 years as a rental, it qualifies as Section 1231 property. If it had been held for 1 year or less as a rental, it wouldn't qualify for Section 1231 treatment, and would instead be subject to ordinary income/loss rules for property not used in a trade or business.
Has anyone here used the cost segregation strategy for rental properties? When I sold my rental last year at a loss, I wish I had done this earlier. Instead of depreciating the entire property over 27.5 years, you can break out components like appliances, carpet, etc. that have shorter depreciation periods (5, 7, or 15 years). This could potentially have increased your accumulated depreciation, lowered your adjusted basis further, and given you a larger Section 1231 loss to claim against your W2 income. Might be worth looking into before you sell.
I actually haven't heard of cost segregation before. That sounds really useful! Is it something I could still do now even though I've already been depreciating the property as a whole for 2 years? Or is it too late to change how I've been handling the depreciation?
Laila Fury
One thing nobody mentioned - if you're filing as a partnership, make sure you actually NEED to be taxed as a partnership. For a 2-member LLC, you have options. By default, 2-member LLCs are taxed as partnerships (requiring Form 1065 and Schedule B), but you could elect to be taxed as an S-Corp (Form 1120-S) which has different requirements regarding representation. Before worrying about the Partnership Representative, make sure you're filing under the most advantageous tax classification for your situation.
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Chris Elmeda
β’That's a really good point! We initially chose partnership taxation because our accountant said it was simpler for our first year, but I've been wondering if S-Corp might be better long-term. Are there big differences in the reporting requirements between the two? And if we wanted to switch to S-Corp status, is that complicated?
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Laila Fury
β’The reporting requirements are somewhat different. Partnerships file Form 1065 with K-1s for partners, while S-Corps file Form 1120-S with K-1s for shareholders. The bigger difference is how you're taxed - with an S-Corp, you can pay yourself a reasonable salary (subject to employment taxes) and take remaining profits as distributions (not subject to self-employment tax). This can save on taxes. Switching isn't too complicated. You file Form 8832 to elect to be taxed as a corporation, then Form 2553 to elect S-Corp status. The timing is important though - generally you need to file within 2 months and 15 days from the beginning of your tax year for it to be effective for the current year. Otherwise, it takes effect the following year.
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Geoff Richards
I went through this exact situation last year. Some practical advice: For the Schedule B Partnership Representative, we just designated the partner who handles most of the financial stuff. Qualifications aren't complex - just need a US taxpayer ID and availability if the IRS has questions. The bigger headache honestly was making sure our partnership agreement actually matched our tax filings. Our operating agreement didn't specify profit/loss allocations clearly, which created confusion when filling out the K-1s.
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Simon White
β’Did you have to amend your operating agreement to specify those allocations more clearly? Our agreement just says "50/50" for everything but I've heard the IRS wants more specific details about how different types of income and special allocations are handled.
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Geoff Richards
β’We didn't have to formally amend our operating agreement, but our accountant recommended creating an addendum that specifically addressed tax allocations. We documented how we handle different income types, guaranteed payments, and special allocations for tax purposes. The IRS does want to see that your allocations have "substantial economic effect" - basically that they reflect actual economic reality and aren't just done to avoid taxes. For a simple 50/50 partnership, you're probably fine as long as you consistently apply that split to all financial aspects of the business.
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