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Another key difference - cost! Tax lawyers typically charge $300-500/hour while CPAs are usually $150-350/hour. For routine tax prep and planning, a CPA is much more cost-effective. Save the lawyer for when you have actual legal tax problems.

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Yara Sayegh

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Is it ever worth paying for both at the same time? Like could they work together on a complicated situation?

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Absolutely! In complex situations, having both professionals work together can be extremely beneficial. For example, if you're creating a complex estate plan or setting up a business with significant tax implications, your CPA can provide the financial projections and tax calculations while your tax attorney ensures the legal structures are optimal. Many high-net-worth individuals and businesses have both a CPA and tax attorney on their professional team. They typically use the CPA for ongoing tax work and consult the attorney for specific legal tax matters. The cost is justified when the potential tax savings or risk mitigation significantly outweighs the professional fees.

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A huge difference nobody mentioned is attorney-client privilege! If there's ANY chance you've done something the IRS might consider suspicious or fraudulent, DO NOT discuss it with a CPA. They can be forced to testify against you. Only communications with a tax attorney are protected by privilege.

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Paolo Longo

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This is so important! I learned this the hard way when my CPA had to provide information to the IRS during my audit. Nothing illegal, but certainly embarrassing and led to more scrutiny.

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Just a heads up - make sure you're also accounting for state taxes on that early withdrawal if your state has income tax. The IRS calculator only handles federal taxes. I made that mistake last year and ended up owing a bunch to my state because I forgot the distribution was taxable at the state level too.

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Yara Nassar

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Does every state tax early withdrawals the same way though? I thought some states don't tax retirement distributions at all, while others follow the federal rules including the penalty?

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You're absolutely right that states vary in how they handle retirement distributions. Some states like Wyoming, Florida, Texas, and others have no state income tax so there's nothing to worry about there. Other states follow the federal treatment and will tax the full amount as income, plus some even add their own early withdrawal penalties on top of the federal 10%. Then there are states with special exemptions or lower tax rates for retirement income, but these often don't apply to early withdrawals. For example, Illinois doesn't tax qualifying retirement income, but early withdrawals might not qualify for that exemption.

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Quick question - I'm actually doing the opposite and trying to INCREASE my withholding because of an IRA withdrawal. If I enter it in the "other income" section of the calculator like everyone's suggesting, will it automatically recommend increasing my withholding from my paychecks to cover the additional tax from the distribution?

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Dylan Cooper

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Yes, that's exactly what the calculator is designed to do! When you enter the IRA distribution in the "other income" section and include any withholding already taken from that distribution, the calculator will recommend adjusting your W-4 to withhold more from your remaining paychecks this year to cover the additional tax liability.

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Joshua Wood

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Something nobody's mentioned yet is the NIIT (Net Investment Income Tax) that kicks in at $200k single/$250k married. That's a real optimization point to consider since it adds 3.8% to investment income. Also, look at the standard deduction vs itemized deductions breakpoint - that can create an interesting optimization opportunity. Some people bunch their charitable donations every other year to itemize in those years while taking standard deduction in the off years.

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That's a great point about the NIIT - totally forgot about that one! And the charitable donation bunching strategy is smart. Do you think it's worth trying to stay under the NIIT threshold even if it means taking a slightly lower salary?

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Joshua Wood

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For most people, higher income still wins out even with the NIIT, but it depends on your investment mix. If a large portion of your income is from investments, staying under the threshold could make sense. The charitable bunching strategy works really well if you're close to the itemization threshold. For example, if you normally donate $10k yearly but your total itemized deductions would be just under the standard deduction, you could donate $20k every other year, itemize in those years, and take the standard deduction in between.

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Justin Evans

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Tbh there isnt really a perfect bracket bc the tax system is crazy complicated. But I found that right around 80-100k for a single person is pretty good. U can still get some education credits, retirement savers credit if ur at the lower end, and ur not hit with AMT or the investment taxes. My tax guy told me the worst spot is actually the super rich who make just enough to lose all deductions but not enough to hire fancy accountants for tax schemes lol. Like 500k-2mil range.

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Emily Parker

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I've heard that too, the "happy middle" where you have enough to be comfortable but the tax code still throws you some bones. Makes me feel better about my "measly" 90k salary lol

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Just wanted to add another perspective here. I run a US-registered business while living in Vietnam, and the biggest tax savings came from properly structuring my business. Instead of a single-member LLC (which is taxed as a sole proprietorship by default), I elected S-Corp taxation. This lets me pay myself a reasonable salary (subject to self-employment tax) and take the rest as distributions (not subject to SE tax). Even with the international complications, this saved me about $8,000 last year in self-employment taxes. For your Shopify situation, make sure you're tracking ALL your business expenses, including a portion of your internet in China, any co-working space costs, business travel, etc. Also look into the Foreign Tax Credit if you're paying any taxes in China on your business income.

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Sophia Long

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I've heard about the S-Corp strategy but wasn't sure if it would work for an international situation. How complicated was it to set up the S-Corp election? And did you have any issues with paying yourself from US business accounts while living abroad?

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Setting up the S-Corp election just requires filing Form 2553 with the IRS. The form itself isn't complex, but timing matters - you generally need to file within 2 months and 15 days of the start of the tax year you want it to take effect. For paying myself while abroad, I maintain both US and local bank accounts. I pay my "official" salary from the business account to my US personal account, then transfer money as needed to my local account. You'll want to document everything clearly - keep records of transfers and maintain separate business and personal accounts. The biggest challenge was figuring out the "reasonable salary" requirement, as it needs to be justifiable if audited. I worked with an accountant to determine an appropriate amount based on comparable roles in my industry.

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you understand your China-side tax obligations too! I got caught in a nasty situation where I was compliant with US taxes but completely missed that I also had local tax obligations in the country I was living in. China has specific rules about foreign-owned businesses operating within their borders, even if the business is registered elsewhere. You might need to register a WFOE (Wholly Foreign-Owned Enterprise) or representative office depending on your specific activities.

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Ella Lewis

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This is super important! I got hit with double taxation because I didn't properly structure my business activities between the US and Thailand where I was living. There's a tax treaty between US and China that might help avoid double taxation, but you need to know how to properly claim those benefits.

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5 Quick question - does anyone know if you can still file your taxes on time if you don't have your W2? I'm in a similar situation but I really need my refund ASAP for some bills.

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22 You can file without the actual W2 by using Form 4852 (Substitute for Form W2). You'll need your last paystub to estimate your earnings and withholdings. BUT you should only do this after trying to get your W2 from your employer and then contacting the IRS for help. The downside is your refund might be delayed while the IRS verifies your information. If your estimates are significantly off from what your employer reports, you might need to file an amended return later.

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5 Thanks for the info! I'll try contacting my employer one more time tomorrow, and if that doesn't work, I'll try the IRS route before using Form 4852. Hopefully I can still get my refund relatively soon - I hate how one missing form can mess up everything!

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10 If your employer has an online employee portal (like ADP, Paychex, etc.), check there! I thought my W2 was lost in the mail but then realized my former company had switched to only providing digital W2s through their portal. I still had access with my old login and found my W2 ready to download.

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1 Oh! I didn't think of that! We did use some online system for viewing our paystubs. I'll try logging in tonight to see if I can access it. Hopefully my account is still active even though I don't work there anymore. That would be such an easy solution!

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