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Don't forget that for 2025 taxes, bonus depreciation is reduced to 80% (down from 100% in previous years). So if your Apple Watch costs $499 and you use it 50% for business, the depreciable business portion is $249.50, and you can take 80% of that ($199.60) as bonus depreciation in the first year. The remaining $49.90 would be depreciated over 5 years using MACRS. Also, make sure the watch meets the requirements for "listed property" since it's dual-use. You need to keep records of business vs. personal use to substantiate your percentage.
Wait, I thought electronics like phones and computers (and I'm assuming watches?) were 3-year property, not 5-year? Now I'm confused about how I've been depreciating my business tech.
You're right to be confused because the rules aren't always intuitive. Computer equipment (including peripherals like tablets and smartphones) is actually 5-year property under MACRS, not 3-year as many people assume. This includes smartwatches when they're used as computer peripherals. The IRS classifies most technology and office equipment as 5-year property. The 3-year property class is more limited and generally includes things like tractor units and racehorses. It's a common misconception, so don't worry if you've been using the wrong recovery period - you can correct it going forward.
Kinda off-topic but has anyone used TurboTax to handle smartwatch depreciation? I tried last year and got super confused about where to enter the info and whether to use Section 179 or bonus depreciation. End up just entering it as a regular expense and I'm pretty sure that was wrong.
I've done this in TurboTax. You need to go to the Business section, then look for "Business assets, depreciation & section 179." There's a section specifically for entering assets purchased during the year. You'll enter the watch, its cost, business use percentage, and then it will walk you through options for Section 179, bonus depreciation, or regular depreciation. Don't enter it as a simple expense - that's definitely not correct for something that has a useful life of more than one year. The software should help calculate everything correctly once you enter it as a depreciable asset.
Another approach to consider: you might want to pay slightly more than the calculated amount for your estimated taxes. I max out the 24% bracket too, and I always add an extra 5% to my estimated payments as a buffer. This helps in case of any calculation errors and prevents surprises. Also, don't forget that you can adjust your payments throughout the year. If your income situation changes, you can modify your remaining estimated payments accordingly.
That's a good suggestion about adding a buffer. I hadn't considered that. How do you handle the timing of your Roth conversions throughout the year? Do you do them all at once, or spread them out quarterly to match when you're making the estimated payments?
I spread my conversions throughout the year rather than doing them all at once. This gives me more control and helps with cash flow since I'm making estimated tax payments quarterly anyway. I usually do slightly larger conversions in the first half of the year, especially if the market is down. This gives those converted amounts more time to potentially grow tax-free in the Roth. By December, I have a clearer picture of my exact tax situation and can make a final conversion that precisely hits my target bracket maximum.
Has anyone been using tax software to calculate these estimated payments? I tried using last year's TurboTax to estimate my 2025 taxes for Roth conversions, but it keeps giving me errors about tax year mismatches.
Most tax software isn't designed for future year planning like this. I've had good luck with Excel spreadsheets that you can update with the new tax brackets each year. The IRS usually announces inflation adjustments for the upcoming year around October/November.
Don't forget to check if your state has its own free filing portal! Many states now offer their own free filing systems separate from the IRS Free File program. I live in Massachusetts and used their free MassTaxConnect system to file my state return after doing federal through FreeTaxUSA. Saved me the $15 state filing fee. Also, if your income is under $60,000, look into VITA (Volunteer Income Tax Assistance) programs in your area. They'll prepare your taxes completely free with trained volunteers. I used them for years before I started doing my own taxes.
Thank you for this suggestion! I had no idea states might have their own free filing options. I'm in California - does anyone know if they offer something similar?
Yes, California absolutely has a free filing option! It's called CalFile and it's available directly through the California Franchise Tax Board website. It's completely free for eligible California taxpayers and handles most common tax situations. Just go to ftb.ca.gov and search for CalFile. Many other states have similar programs - Illinois has MyTax Illinois, New York has their own free filing options too. It's definitely worth checking your state's tax department website before paying for state filing through a third-party service.
Just wanted to add that if you're switching away from TurboTax, make sure you have copies of your previous years' returns! Some of the free options don't store your old returns for as long, and you might need information from last year's return to file this year's (like your AGI for verification).
Former tax preparer here - just to add another clarification about the April 15 deadline: if you owe money and can't pay the full amount, still file on time! The penalty for filing late (5% per month up to 25% of unpaid taxes) is much worse than the penalty for paying late (0.5% per month up to 25%). And if you're getting a refund, there's actually no penalty for filing late, though you generally only have 3 years to claim your refund. But why wait for money that's yours?
What about if I know I need to file an extension? Does that need to be done by 11:59pm on the 15th too? And is there any downside to filing an extension?
Yes, the extension request (Form 4868) must also be filed by 11:59pm local time on April 15th. Electronic is best because you get immediate confirmation. The main downside to an extension is that it only extends the time to file your paperwork, not to pay what you owe. You still need to estimate what you might owe and pay that by April 15th to avoid penalties and interest. If you're getting a refund, there's no downside at all to filing an extension. And having an extension actually slightly reduces your audit risk according to some statistics, though that shouldn't be your main reason for filing one.
Another thing that confuses people - if you e-file, you get confirmation right away, but if you mail your return, the POSTMARK date is what counts, not when the IRS receives it. So if you're mailing on April 15th, make sure to go to the post office and get it postmarked that day!
This saved me last year! My local post office has a self-service kiosk that's open until midnight, and the postmark from that counts as official. Double check your local post office hours if you're cutting it close.
Great tip about the self-service kiosk! Not all post offices have them though, so definitely check ahead of time. And remember that private delivery services like FedEx or UPS can also be used, but the IRS only accepts certain types of delivery services as "timely filed" - there's an official list on the IRS website. One more thing: if you're mailing a payment with your return or extension, use Form 1040-V for the payment. Makes processing faster and ensures your payment gets properly credited to your account.
Emma Garcia
I'm a bit late to this discussion but wanted to add something important that others haven't mentioned. The new bill also increases the refundable portion of the CTC, not just the lookback provision. Starting in 2024 (but NOT retroactive to 2023), the refundable portion will be calculated per child rather than per family. So for 2023 returns, a family with no income still won't benefit from the CTC. But in 2024, a parent could potentially use their 2023 income to qualify if they had income then but not in 2024. And the per-child calculation means families with multiple children will see a bigger benefit. The bill also gradually increases the maximum refundable amount from $1,600 per child to $1,800 in 2025, $1,900 in 2026, and $2,000 by 2027. Just wanted to add this since it affects the long-term planning aspect for families.
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Ava Kim
β’Do you know if the age requirements are changing too? Currently it's under 17, but I've heard rumors they might extend it for older dependents like they did during COVID.
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Emma Garcia
β’The age requirement is staying the same under the current proposal - children must be under 17 at the end of the tax year to qualify for the Child Tax Credit. The temporary expansion during COVID that included 17-year-olds is not part of this new legislation. What's staying consistent is the income phase-out thresholds - $200,000 for single filers and $400,000 for married filing jointly. The credit begins to reduce by $50 for each $1,000 of income above these thresholds.
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Ethan Anderson
Has anyone actually read the bill text? I'm looking at it now and it specifically states that the lookback provision (using prior year income) applies "beginning with taxable years beginning after December 31, 2023." That means it starts with 2024 tax year. There's no language in the bill making anything retroactive to 2023. So if you're filing 2023 taxes in the next few months, the old rules still apply - need earned income to get the refundable portion. I think the confusion comes because sometimes we mix up tax years with filing years. The 2023 tax year (which we file in early 2024) is different from the 2024 tax year (which we'll file in early 2025).
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Carmen Diaz
β’Thank you! This is exactly what I was trying to figure out. So my ex who didn't work in 2023 won't be able to claim the CTC for the kids for the 2023 tax year, even with these new changes coming? But potentially for 2024 taxes she could use her 2023 income (if she had any) to qualify?
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Ethan Anderson
β’That's exactly right. For the 2023 tax return that your ex will file in the coming months, she would need earned income in 2023 to benefit from the refundable portion of the CTC. The new changes won't help for this coming tax season. For the 2024 tax year (which will be filed in early 2025), the new rules would take effect. At that point, she could potentially use either her 2023 income OR her 2024 income to qualify for the CTC, whichever is more beneficial. But for the return she's about to file for 2023, the current rules still apply.
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