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One thing to consider that might be causing the discrepancy - are you including any investment income in your calculations? Even small amounts of interest, dividends, or capital gains (minus your capital loss carryover) need to be included in MAGI. TurboTax might be accounting for some investment income that you're not including in your manual calculation. Check if you received any 1099-INT or 1099-DIV forms from banks or investment accounts. Even $500 in dividend income could push you over the threshold in your situation. Also, if you had any side gig or freelance income (even small amounts), that would count toward your MAGI as well. Worth double-checking!
Good point about investment income! I do have a small amount of dividends (about $320) and some interest income (around $180) that I didn't include in my manual calculation. That definitely explains part of the difference. Do you know if student loan interest deduction reduces MAGI for the EV credit calculation? I paid about $900 in student loan interest last year.
Student loan interest is one of those deductions that gets added back when calculating MAGI for most tax credits, including the EV credit. So while it reduces your AGI, it doesn't reduce your MAGI for this purpose. So the $500 in investment income you mentioned plus adding back your IRA deduction and student loan interest deduction would explain why TurboTax is calculating a higher MAGI than you expected. It sounds like their calculation is likely correct based on everything you've shared.
Has anyone here actually successfully claimed the used EV credit? I'm considering buying a used EV this year but worried about the MAGI limits since I'm right around that threshold too.
I claimed it last year! The credit worked exactly as advertised. Just make sure the dealer provides the proper certification that the vehicle qualifies. Not all used EVs qualify - there are price limits ($25,000) and the vehicle can't be more than 2 years old from when you purchase it. Also, double check the VIN - some dealers will try to sell you a vehicle that's already had the credit claimed on it before (which would make it ineligible).
Don't forget about the Qualified Business Income deduction (Section 199A)! You can potentially deduct up to 20% of your net business income if you're operating as a sole proprietor or single-member LLC. This is literally free money that many side hustlers miss. Also, if you have a full-time job plus your side hustle, consider adjusting your W-4 at your main job to have more withheld. This can help cover the taxes from your side income without having to deal with quarterly payments.
Is the QBI deduction automatic or do you have to do something special to claim it? I've been selling custom t-shirts online and made about $12k last year but my tax software never mentioned this.
It's not automatic - you need to specifically claim it on your tax return. Many basic tax software packages don't prominently feature it or explain it well. You should definitely look into it for your t-shirt business! With $12k in side hustle income, assuming reasonable expenses, you could potentially save hundreds in taxes. The deduction is calculated on your net profit (after expenses), not gross income. The calculation can get complex if your total income is above certain thresholds, but for most side hustlers making under $170k (single) or $340k (married), it's pretty straightforward - 20% of your net business income.
Anybody else have success with the "heavy SUV loophole"? My accountant mentioned I could get a huge deduction if I buy an SUV over 6000 lbs for my mobile pet grooming business. Thinking about a Tahoe or something similar but wanna make sure it's legit before dropping that kinda cash.
Yes, it's legit but be careful. I used this for my real estate side business last year with a Ford Explorer. The vehicle MUST be used more than 50% for business purposes, and you need to document that usage carefully. Also, they've reduced the bonus depreciation for 2023 (it was 100%, now it's 80% and decreasing by 20% each year). Make sure your side hustle income is substantial enough to justify this - the IRS does flag returns with large vehicle deductions relative to business income.
One strategy I used was buying a vehicle that's over 6,000 pounds GVWR but under the 14,000 pound limit. My accountant suggested this because you can still claim the full Section 179 deduction (up to the annual limit, which is $1,050,000 for 2023) but you need to make sure it's a qualifying vehicle. Some popular options are certain Ford F-150 models, Chevy Tahoes, and some larger SUVs. But make sure you get the exact GVWR from the manufacturer because some trims of the same model might qualify while others don't.
Does anyone know if minivans like the Toyota Sienna or Honda Odyssey qualify? They have tons of cargo space but I'm not sure about the weight requirements.
Most minivans don't qualify for the heavy vehicle Section 179 deduction because they typically have a GVWR under 6,000 pounds. The Toyota Sienna has a GVWR around 5,500-5,600 pounds, and the Honda Odyssey is similar. You need to look for vehicles specifically marketed as trucks or SUVs with a GVWR over 6,000 pounds. Even then, make sure the vehicle is primarily used for business (>50%) and keep detailed mileage logs. Also, the business usage percentage in the first year determines how much of the purchase price you can deduct under Section 179.
Has anyone considered the SUV loophole limitation? Even with vehicles over 6,000 GVWR, there's a cap on how much you can expense in year 1 (around $27,000 for SUVs last I checked). The full $1 million+ Section 179 limit only applies to certain types of equipment or larger vehicles (>14,000 pounds).
Everyone's focusing on the Simple IRA rules, but have you considered making an additional contribution directly to a Traditional or Roth IRA? The contribution limits are separate from your Simple IRA, and you have until the tax filing deadline (April 15, 2024) to make contributions for the 2023 tax year. For 2023, you can contribute up to $6,500 ($7,500 if you're 50 or older) to a Traditional or Roth IRA, subject to income limitations. This might be a good way to save more for retirement even if you can't maximize your Simple IRA for 2023.
I didn't even think about that! Do you know if I can have both a Simple IRA through my employer AND contribute to a separate Traditional IRA? Is there any impact to the deductibility of Traditional IRA contributions if you also have a workplace retirement plan?
You can definitely have both a Simple IRA and a Traditional or Roth IRA. However, being covered by a workplace retirement plan (like your Simple IRA) does affect the deductibility of Traditional IRA contributions based on your income. For 2023, if you're covered by a workplace plan, the deduction for Traditional IRA contributions starts to phase out at $73,000 for single filers and $116,000 for married filing jointly. If your income is above those thresholds, you might want to consider a Roth IRA instead (which has its own income limits) or a non-deductible Traditional IRA contribution that could potentially be converted to a Roth later (the "backdoor Roth" strategy).
Just wondering - has anyone tried calling their payroll dept and asking them to process the final paycheck of the year earlier? My company does this some years. They'll run the Dec 31 payroll a few days early to make sure everyone gets paid before the year ends, which helps with retirement contributions counting for the current year.
My company does this too! We specifically asked about it a few years ago because several employees wanted to max out their retirement contributions, and now they just automatically process the last paycheck of the year earlier. It might be worth asking - the worst they can say is no.
That's a great idea! I just called my payroll department and asked about this. They said they normally don't change their schedule, but since there are several employees in my situation, they're going to bring it up with management to possibly process the final 2023 payroll on December 29th instead of waiting until January. Fingers crossed this works out - thanks for the suggestion!
Miguel Ramos
Don't choose "payment plan" on FreeTaxUSA if you want control over your installment agreement terms! That's the mistake I made. Instead: 1. Complete your return on FreeTaxUSA 2. When asked about payment, select "I'll pay on my own" 3. Finish filing 4. Go to irs.gov/payments 5. Select "Online Payment Agreement" 6. THEN you can choose direct debit and set your own terms FreeTaxUSA only offers limited options, but going directly to the IRS afterward gives you way more control over payment amount, due date, etc.
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Zainab Ibrahim
ā¢Do you know if I can change the withdrawal date each month? My paychecks come on different days depending on the month.
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Miguel Ramos
ā¢When you set up a direct debit installment agreement with the IRS, you can choose a monthly payment date that works best for you - the 1st, 8th, 15th, or 22nd of each month. Unfortunately, you can't change the date each month - you have to pick one consistent date. Most people pick a date that's a few days after their typical paycheck arrives. If your pay schedule varies that much, you might want to consider keeping a buffer in your account or choosing a date later in the month.
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StarSailor
Anyone know if there's a fee for setting up direct debit with the IRS? I'm using FreeTaxUSA too and I owe about $3,800. Really confused about the whole process.
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Connor O'Brien
ā¢Yes, there's a setup fee, but it's lower if you choose direct debit vs. other payment methods. I think it's around $31 for direct debit if you set it up online. Regular installment agreements have higher fees (like $149). If your income is below a certain threshold, you might qualify for a reduced fee or fee waiver. Check out Form 13844 for fee reductions based on income.
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