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Check with your employer if they can provide you with a letter stating that the move was necessary for your job. Sometimes even though you can't deduct the expenses directly with Form 3853 anymore, you might qualify for other deductions if the move directly relates to your business or employment activities. Also, keep all your receipts organized just in case the tax laws change again. There's been some talk about possibly bringing back some of these deductions in future tax years.
My employer actually did give me a letter saying the move was required for the position! Would that help with any other deductions you know about? And do you think there's any chance they'll bring back the moving expense deduction in time for this tax season?
The letter from your employer could potentially help if any of your expenses could be categorized as unreimbursed employee business expenses. Unfortunately, for most people, these aren't directly deductible either since 2018, but there are exceptions for certain qualified performing artists, fee-basis state or local government officials, and armed forces reservists. As for bringing back the moving expense deduction, it won't happen for this tax season. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act provisions that eliminated this deduction are in effect through 2025. Any changes would likely come after that, when Congress reviews the expiring provisions. So definitely keep your documentation, but don't expect to use Form 3853 as a non-military taxpayer for at least a few more years.
i had the same issue with form 3853 on turbotax last year!!! try using freetaxusa instead. not sayin theyll let u deduct it (cuz of the tax law change other ppl mentioned) but their interface explains things WAY better than turbotax does and doesnt try to upsell u every 5 mins. also fyi - if ur company required u to move for work and didnt reimburse u, they really should have. most companies will cover relo expenses cuz they know its not tax deductible anymore. might be worth asking ur HR dept if theres any relo assistance even after the fact!
I second the FreeTaxUSA recommendation! Been using them for years after getting fed up with TurboTax's constant upselling. Much clearer explanations about which forms you can and can't use. They won't be able to magically make Form 3853 available to non-military folks, but at least they'll explain WHY in plain English.
Did your friend happen to mention if their school was religiously affiliated? Some religious organizations allow you to structure tuition as a "donation" to the church with a scholarship back to your child. Then you deduct the donation. My sister does this with her kids' Catholic school. Not sure if it's totally legit though...
That donation approach sounds super sketchy and likely illegal if audited. The IRS specifically looks for these kinds of arrangements. If you make a donation with the understanding that your child receives a direct benefit (like reduced tuition), it's not a legitimate charitable donation for tax purposes.
Maybe they were talking about a dependent care FSA? If your kid is under 13, you can use a dependent care FSA to pay for before and after school programs (but not regular tuition) with pre-tax dollars. Up to $5,000 per year for married filing jointly. You mentioned this wasn't what they were referring to, but thought I'd throw it out there in case it helps someone else reading this.
Have you thought about just ignoring what the calculator says and using the Multiple Jobs Worksheet included with the W4 form? I've found it to be more consistent than the online calculator. Since you're single with one job and take the standard deduction, it should be pretty straightforward to fill out. Also, be aware that the W4 changed dramatically a few years back - they eliminated allowances completely. If you haven't filled one out since your job 6 years ago, it's going to look very different.
I didn't even realize there was a worksheet! I'll definitely look into that option. And yeah, the new form looks completely different from what I remember filing years ago - the elimination of allowances really threw me off. Thanks for the pointer about the worksheet!
Happy to help! The worksheet is actually on page 3 of the W4 form PDF from the IRS website. It's pretty user-friendly for simple situations like yours. Just be sure you're using the 2025 version of the form since they adjust the numbers slightly each year. Another tip: after you submit your W4, check your first couple of paystubs carefully to make sure the withholding looks reasonable. If it seems way off, you can always submit a new W4 to adjust. Most payroll systems let you update it anytime.
Am I the only one who just puts "0" for everything and gets a fat refund every year? I know it's like giving the government an interest-free loan but honestly it feels great getting that big chunk of money back in March. It's like forced savings for me lol.
I've found that local CPAs who advertise "small business" expertise often lack the specific knowledge for startup equity situations. My first accountant had no idea what an 83(b) election was, and I nearly missed the 30-day window to file! Look for someone who has clients similar to you - other tech founders with venture backing. Ask potential accountants specific questions: "How would you handle tax planning for a potential secondary sale?" or "What documentation do you recommend I maintain for my 83(b) election?" If they give vague answers, move on.
How much should I expect to pay for a good startup-focused accountant? The quotes I'm getting seem all over the place, from $400 to $3000+ for personal tax prep. Is the higher price worth it?
The price range definitely varies based on complexity and location. If you have multiple equity events, secondary sales, or multi-state filing requirements, expect to be on the higher end of that range. In my experience, paying more for someone with startup expertise has saved me far more than the difference in preparation fees. For context, I paid about $800 for a general CPA my first year, who missed several startup-specific deductions. The next year I paid $2200 for a startup-specialized accountant who saved me over $15,000 through proper equity planning and startup-specific tax strategies. Look at it as an investment - the right accountant should identify tax savings that exceed their fee difference.
Has anybody used one of those big online tax prep companies like H&R Block or TurboTax for startup situations??? I know they have "small business" versions but not sure if they can handle 83b stuff or secondary sales?
Omg please dont. I tried using TurboTax last year for my startup situation and it was a COMPLETE disaster. The software kept getting confused by my 83(b) election and couldn't properly handle the reporting of my partial stock sale. Ended up having to hire a professional anyway to fix all the mistakes and file an amended return. Cost me way more in the end.
Collins Angel
My accountant told me the easiest solution is just to write "mortgage reimbursement" in the notes section of the payment app whenever you send money. That way there's a clear record of what the payment was for if questions ever come up. Also, some people in similar situations set up automatic transfers from their bank account to their partner's account instead of using payment apps, which avoids the whole 1099-K reporting situation entirely.
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Dyllan Nantx
ā¢Thanks for the suggestion! Do you know if bank-to-bank transfers also fall under this $600 reporting threshold, or is that just for payment apps?
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Collins Angel
ā¢Bank-to-bank transfers don't fall under the same $600 reporting requirements that apply to payment apps. Those rules specifically target third-party payment networks like PayPal, Venmo, etc. Regular transfers between bank accounts aren't subject to 1099-K reporting regardless of the amount. This is why some people prefer setting up direct transfers for recurring payments like rent or mortgage sharing. It's more straightforward from a tax perspective since there's no confusion about whether it's a business or personal transaction.
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Marcelle Drum
Maybe a dumb question but has anyone tried just sending multiple smaller payments under $600 instead of one large one? Like if you owe $1200, sending two $600 payments?
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Tate Jensen
ā¢That's called "structuring" and it's actually illegal if you're doing it specifically to avoid reporting requirements. Not worth the risk just to avoid something that isn't even taxable in the first place.
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Marcelle Drum
ā¢Thanks for the info! Definitely don't want to do anything sketchy. Seems like the simplest approach is just to properly mark the payments as personal and not worry about it.
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