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This isn't directly about loans vs payment plans, but make sure you consider whether you qualify for any penalty abatement! If this is your first time owing taxes, you might qualify for First Time Penalty Abatement which could save you a decent amount. You'd still have to pay the base tax and interest, but it could remove the failure-to-pay penalties. I saved almost $800 this way when I owed taxes a couple years ago. You can request it after you've paid the tax in full or while you're on a payment plan.
Would this work if I've had small penalties before for late filing but never something this substantial?
Unfortunately, qualifying for First Time Penalty Abatement requires that you haven't had any significant penalties in the past three tax years. Since you mentioned having late filing penalties, you might not qualify - but it depends on how long ago those were. If those late filing penalties were from more than 3 years ago, you could still qualify. It's always worth asking about when you talk to the IRS. The worst they can say is no.
I went through this exact situation two years ago owing about $8,200 to the IRS. After running all the numbers, I ended up choosing the personal loan route at 5.9% interest, and I'm glad I did. Here's what tipped the scales for me: The IRS charges 8% interest PLUS the 0.5% monthly failure-to-pay penalty, which effectively made my total cost around 14% annually when you factor everything in. The personal loan was clearly cheaper mathematically. But beyond just the numbers, having the IRS debt completely cleared gave me huge peace of mind. No more worry about future refunds being seized, no dealing with IRS correspondence, and my credit actually improved from properly managing the personal loan payments. One thing I'd recommend - if you do go the personal loan route, make sure you can comfortably afford the monthly payments. Don't stretch yourself thin just to avoid the IRS. The IRS is actually pretty reasonable to work with if you communicate with them, while missing payments on a personal loan can hurt your credit fast. Also, shop around for the best loan rate if you haven't already. I was initially offered 7.8% but found a better rate with a credit union at 5.9%. That small difference saved me hundreds over the life of the loan.
This is really helpful perspective! I'm curious - when you shopped around for better loan rates, did you do hard credit pulls at multiple places? I'm worried about hurting my credit score with too many inquiries while I'm trying to figure out the best option. Also, how long did it take you to pay off the personal loan compared to what an IRS payment plan timeline would have been?
OMG I'm freaking out because I NEED my refund by next Friday to cover my property tax payment!! š« I've been checking WMR obsessively and now it's down when I need it most! I filed on February 12th and it's been 24 days with no updates. Now I can't even see if there's movement! Has anyone who filed around the same time received their refund yet? I'm so stressed I can barely sleep!
Thank you for sharing this - makes me feel less alone in my tax anxiety!
Did you claim any credits on your return? I've heard that can slow things down significantly.
I feel your pain! I've been through this exact same situation before. The WMR outages are incredibly frustrating, especially when you're counting on that refund for important payments. A few things that might help ease your stress: First, the 21-day processing window is just an estimate - many refunds actually take 2-4 weeks, so you're still within normal timeframes. Second, if you claimed EITC or Child Tax Credit, those returns are held until mid-February by law, which can add extra processing time. Third, try checking your bank account directly - sometimes the refund deposits before WMR even updates! If you're really pressed for time, you might want to call the IRS directly (though expect long wait times) to get a real status update. Hang in there - the system being down doesn't mean anything is wrong with your refund!
Has anyone actually fought one of these CP162 notices and WON without paying anything? I'm in almost the exact same situation with my research partnership LLC. We formed it in 2020 for an NSF SBIR grant application, have had zero income, and just got hit with a $2,100 penalty. I'm wondering if I should just pay it to avoid further issues or if it's worth fighting.
I successfully had my entire CP162 penalty abated through the reasonable cause process. The key was being able to speak directly with an IRS agent (used Claimyr to get through after hours of failed attempts). The agent confirmed that they frequently approve abatement requests for partnerships formed for specific purposes with no income, especially when it's a first-time issue. Make sure you emphasize that you formed the LLC specifically for grant applications, had zero income, and didn't realize filing was required in this situation. Also stress that you've now filed the return (if you have) and understand the requirements going forward.
Thanks for sharing your experience! That's encouraging to hear. I think I'll try the reasonable cause route rather than just paying it. We definitely formed our LLC solely for the grant application process and had no business activity otherwise. I'll make sure to emphasize that we've now filed and understand the requirements going forward. Did you submit your reasonable cause request by mail or were you able to handle it entirely during your phone call with the IRS agent?
I went through this exact situation last year with my research LLC! Got a CP162 for $1,470 even though we had zero income and I was certain we filed on time. Turns out there was a processing error on the IRS side - our return was received but not properly recorded. Here's what worked for me: I gathered all my documentation (proof of timely filing from our accountant, copies of certified mail receipts, etc.) and submitted a written reasonable cause request. I emphasized that the LLC was formed solely for grant applications, had no income or business activity, and that we genuinely believed we had fulfilled all filing requirements. The key is to be very specific about your circumstances. Mention that it's an NSF grant application vehicle, detail your minimal expenses, and stress that this is your first penalty issue. I also included a timeline showing when we filed versus the deadline to demonstrate our good faith effort to comply. It took about 6 weeks, but they completely abated the penalty. Don't just pay it - you have legitimate grounds for relief based on what you've described. The IRS is actually pretty reasonable about these situations when you can show it was a genuine misunderstanding rather than willful non-compliance.
Just want to add - you might want to consider forming an LLC for your detailing business if you're making decent money. It helps separate your personal assets from the business in case something goes wrong (like accidentally damaging someone's car). In most states it's pretty easy to set up online!
Based on your income level ($650-800/month), you absolutely need to report this to the IRS. Here's what you need to know: **Reporting Requirements:** - All business income must be reported regardless of payment method (cash, check, Zelle, etc.) - You'll file Schedule C for your detailing business income - You'll also owe self-employment tax (about 15.3% on top of regular income tax) **Payment App Tracking:** - Banks don't automatically report Zelle payments to the IRS currently - However, the IRS can still detect unreported income through bank deposit analysis during audits - Starting in 2024, payment apps may be required to issue 1099-K forms for business transactions over $600 **What You Should Do:** 1. Start tracking all income and business expenses immediately 2. Set aside 25-30% of earnings for taxes 3. Consider filing amended returns (Form 1040-X) for previous years to avoid penalties 4. Keep detailed records of all business-related expenses (supplies, gas, equipment, etc.) The key is being proactive. The IRS is cracking down on unreported side gig income, so it's much better to voluntarily comply than risk an audit later. Your income level definitely puts you above the threshold where reporting is required.
Chloe Anderson
Thank you all for the amazing advice! I'm going to: 1) Ask about their corporate structure and how they're handling 280E 2) Look into having each family member invest separately rather than through me 3) Make sure our bank won't give us issues with deposits 4) Use that taxr.ai site to analyze the investment docs before committing Really appreciate all the responses - this has been incredibly helpful!
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Sophie Footman
One more thing to consider - make sure you understand the liquidity timeline for this investment. Cannabis PE investments are typically very illiquid, and you might not be able to exit early even if you need the money. Also, since you mentioned this is your first PE investment, be aware that cannabis operations can be volatile due to changing regulations at both state and federal levels. What's legal and profitable today might face new restrictions tomorrow. The 8% dividend sounds attractive, but make sure you're comfortable with the risk profile and that you won't need access to this capital for several years. Consider diversifying rather than putting all your investment capital into a single cannabis operation, especially as a first-time PE investor.
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