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Former tax professional here. The ERC situation is a mess right now because so many businesses were pushed into filing by these aggressive firms. Here's what I'm seeing with clients: 1) Recovery startups are actually LESS likely to be scrutinized than established businesses claiming substantial shutdowns, mainly because your eligibility rules were more straightforward. 2) Documentation is absolutely critical. Keep everything related to your business formation, all employee records, and anything demonstrating legitimate business activities during your claim period. 3) The percentage fee structure (15% in your case) is a red flag to the IRS, as legitimate tax firms typically charge flat fees based on work performed. The IRS recently announced they're offering a voluntary disclosure program for businesses to repay questionable ERC claims with reduced penalties. Might be worth investigating if you're truly concerned about your claim's legitimacy.
Thanks for this insider perspective. So if I understand correctly, as a genuine recovery startup (formed after Feb 2020), I might actually be at lower risk than established businesses? That's somewhat reassuring. About the voluntary disclosure program - would using that be essentially admitting I did something wrong? I believe my claim was legitimate based on the recovery startup provisions, but now I'm second-guessing everything because of the company I used.
Yes, recovery startups generally face less scrutiny because your eligibility was based on clear criteria (formation date, gross receipts under the threshold) rather than the more subjective "partial shutdown" or "significant decline in gross receipts" tests that established businesses had to meet. The voluntary disclosure program isn't necessarily an admission of wrongdoing - it's designed for businesses who, after review, believe their claim may not fully qualify. If you believe your claim as a recovery startup was legitimate, there's likely no need to use this program. Instead, focus on organizing your documentation. Make sure you have clear records showing: 1) formation after February 15, 2020, 2) evidence of actual business operations (not just a paper entity), 3) documentation of qualified wages paid, and 4) gross receipts under the threshold. The IRS is primarily targeting obviously fraudulent claims first, particularly those made by established businesses using aggressive interpretations of the shutdown provisions.
Has anyone considered the tax implications if the IRS does demand repayment? I'm in a similar situation and wondering if I'd need to amend returns from the year I received the credit.
Just to add another perspective - I was in a similar situation two years ago. One important thing no one's mentioned is that if you owned the LLC before becoming a US resident, make sure you're properly documenting the basis in the entity as of your residency date. This becomes super important if you later sell the foreign LLC or take distributions. I'd recommend getting a formal valuation of the entity as of your US residency date so you have documentation of your starting basis.
That's a great point I hadn't considered. Do you know if there's a specific form or method for documenting the basis value as of my residency date? Did you use a particular service for your valuation?
There's no specific IRS form for documenting your starting basis, but you should create your own detailed records. I used a business valuation service in my home country that was familiar with US tax requirements. They produced a comprehensive report that I keep with my tax records. The method used depends on your business type - for my service-based LLC, they used a multiple of earnings approach. For businesses with more assets, they might use different methods. The key is having a defensible, third-party valuation you can produce if ever questioned. It cost me about $1,500 but was absolutely worth it for the peace of mind.
Has anyone used TurboTax for filing these forms? Their website says they support 5471 but I'm wondering if it can handle the dual status resident situation properly.
I tried TurboTax last year for my 5471 with dual status and it was a disaster. The software doesn't really handle the dual status situation well with foreign entities. It kept trying to report my full-year income even though I clearly indicated my residency date. I ended up having to use a tax professional instead.
You might qualify for the Innocent Spouse Relief program. My sister was in a similar situation after her divorce - her ex hadn't filed for years without her knowledge. She filed Form 8857 (Request for Innocent Spouse Relief) and the IRS absolved her of most of the tax liability. Definitely worth looking into if your ex was controlling the finances and tax situation.
Would this apply if we never actually filed jointly though? From what I understand, he just took my W2s and never filed anything at all. Can I still claim innocent spouse if there were no joint returns?
Ah good point - Innocent Spouse Relief typically applies when joint returns were actually filed with errors or underpayment. If no returns were filed at all, that's a different situation. In your case, you'd focus more on explaining the circumstances when you file your returns and potentially requesting penalty abatement due to reasonable cause. The IRS does consider situations involving domestic abuse as potential reasonable cause for penalty relief. The most important thing is to get those returns filed now and explain your situation - they're usually willing to work with you on a payment plan for any taxes owed.
Has anyone successfully requested penalty abatement for first-time penalties? I've heard the IRS has a First Time Abatement policy but don't know if it applies to unfiled taxes for multiple years...
One thing everyone is missing here is basis calculation differences. In an S-corp, your basis increases with income allocated to you and decreases with distributions and losses. In a partnership, your basis also includes your share of partnership liabilities. This can make a huge difference if you have business loans or mortgages since partnership basis rules can allow for larger tax-free distributions or loss deductions.
Could you explain that with a simple example? Not sure I'm following how the liability part impacts distributions.
Sure. Let's say you and a partner each contribute $50,000 to start a business and then the partnership takes out a $200,000 loan. In a partnership, your basis would be $150,000 ($50,000 contribution plus $100,000 of the debt). This means you could receive distributions up to $150,000 tax-free. In an S-corp with the same scenario, your basis would only be $50,000 (your contribution), so distributions beyond that would be taxable. This can be a significant difference depending on your business's debt structure and distribution plans.
Has anyone considered that an S-corp might not always be better? I'm a real estate investor and my CPA advised sticking with partnership taxation because of the basis rules mentioned above, plus the ability to do special allocations. S-corps require proportionate distributions based on ownership while partnerships allow for more creative profit-sharing arrangements.
Aileen Rodriguez
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - keep an eye on the date on that second notice. The IRS often sends out notices that were generated BEFORE they processed your payment. So check the date on the notice - it might have been created/mailed before your payment was fully processed, even though you received it afterward. Also, did you make the payment directly to the specific tax year and form? Sometimes people just make a general payment and it doesn't get applied correctly.
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Natalia Stone
ā¢Thanks for bringing this up! I checked and the second notice is dated about 3 weeks after my payment was processed. So unfortunately it's not just a timing issue. And yes, I specifically selected tax year 2018 Form 1040 when making the payment online - I was very careful about that since I didn't want any mix-ups. I think what might have happened is that the payment went through but wasn't applied to the specific CP22A balance. Maybe it was applied to the original tax liability but not to the additional assessment? The whole thing is so confusing and there's no way to check exactly where the payment was applied online.
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Aileen Rodriguez
ā¢That's definitely more concerning then. You're probably right about the payment being misapplied within the same tax year. The IRS has different "buckets" for different types of assessments, even within the same tax year. When you do manage to speak with someone (either through regular calls or using one of the services mentioned above), specifically ask them to check ALL modules for tax year 2018 to locate your payment. Make sure they know it was in response to a CP22A so they can properly apply it to the additional assessment rather than just the original tax liability. Be sure to have your payment confirmation number handy when you call. That's the fastest way for them to trace where your money actually went in their system.
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Zane Gray
Has anyone mentioned checking your tax transcript? You can get it online through the IRS website and it sometimes shows more details than the account summary. It might show your payment and where it was applied.
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Maggie Martinez
ā¢This is great advice. The transcript will show all transactions for the tax year including payments, assessments, penalties, and interest calculations. Look for transaction code 670 which indicates a payment was received and applied. The date and amount should match your payment.
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