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Just wanted to add that you can also file Form 843 "Claim for Refund and Request for Abatement" to request removal of underpayment penalties. Make sure to include all your documentation showing you qualified for the safe harbor provision. I did this last year and it took about 7 weeks, but the penalties were removed and I got my money back.
Would this work even if I've already paid the penalty? I just went ahead and paid the $220 penalty because I didn't want it to accrue more interest, but now I'm thinking I actually qualified for safe harbor.
Yes, it absolutely works even if you've already paid. The Form 843 can be used to request a refund of penalties you've already paid, not just an abatement of unpaid penalties. Just make sure to check the "Interest" box in Item 5a and explain in detail that you're requesting a refund of underpayment interest because you qualified for the safe harbor provision. Include copies of both tax years' returns to prove you met the requirements. Also enter the date you paid the penalty in section 2, and they'll refund it if your request is approved.
Has anyone had success getting penalties removed because of personal hardship? I had a medical emergency in 2023 that drained my savings which is why I couldn't make estimated payments, even though I knew I wasn't withholding enough.
Yes, the IRS does have a "reasonable cause" provision where they can waive penalties for hardship situations. Medical emergencies can absolutely qualify. You'll need to submit a letter explaining the situation with documentation of your medical issues and how they impacted your ability to pay.
I think it really depends on what's on your Robinhood 1099. If you have crypto or options trading, those are WAY more complicated than regular stock trades and take a lot more time to process correctly. I used to prepare taxes and we charged based on complexity, not just the number of forms.
Thanks for the insight! I just checked and my Robinhood account does have about 3 crypto trades (just some dabbling in Bitcoin and Ethereum) along with the 5 regular stock trades. Would that really justify doubling my tax prep fee though? Did your firm have a set price for crypto transactions?
Yes, crypto trades absolutely can justify a significant price increase. Cryptocurrency reporting is complicated because the IRS treats them as property, not currency, which means each transaction requires determining cost basis and holding period, plus special wash sale considerations. We typically charged 50-100% more for returns with crypto because of the extra work and risk involved. Many tax professionals are also wary of crypto because the reporting requirements are still evolving, and they take on additional liability. If you only have 3 basic crypto trades, you might be able to negotiate, but the extra $200 for a combination of stock and crypto transactions isn't outrageous by industry standards.
Maybe try asking your CPA to explain exactly why the Robinhood form costs extra? Sometimes they have good reasons but don't communicate them well. I thought mine was overcharging last year until she showed me all the extra forms and worksheets she had to complete for my investments.
A major reason many can't just "choose" to be contractors is the employer's preference. Companies often want W2 employees for control reasons, and they hold the power in the relationship. I tried negotiating to work as a contractor for my current employer to get tax advantages, and they flat-out refused. Their HR department said it would create "consistency issues" and possible legal problems if they classified similar positions differently. Unless you have rare skills or are in a high-demand position, most employers won't change their standard employment model just so you can get tax benefits. The employment relationship is ultimately dictated by business needs and legal requirements, not what might be optimal for your personal tax situation.
Exactly this. My company literally has a policy against converting employees to contractors. They told me it creates too much liability for worker misclassification issues. Plus they mentioned something about the "Microsoft case" from years ago where contractors successfully sued claiming they were really employees entitled to benefits. Now companies are super careful about this stuff.
You're right about the Microsoft case (Vizcaino v. Microsoft) - it was a huge wake-up call for many large companies. Microsoft had to pay $97 million to settle claims from workers who were classified as contractors but functioned as employees. After that case, corporate legal departments became extremely cautious about worker classification. Many companies now have strict policies about who can be a contractor vs. employee precisely to avoid similar lawsuits. Some even have mandatory "cooling off" periods where a former employee must wait 6-12 months before they can return as a contractor. The tax advantages for individuals are completely outweighed by the legal risk for companies in many cases.
The biggest thing missing from this discussion is the RISK factor. Being a W2 employee is just so much safer for the average person. As a contractor: - Income is often unstable or seasonal - You have to hustle constantly for new work - No unemployment benefits if work dries up - No workers comp if you get injured - Have to buy your own health insurance ($$$$) - No paid time off or sick days - All the legal/accounting complexities fall on you Unless you're charging like 40-50% more per hour as a contractor, the "tax savings" probably don't make up for all these downsides. Plus, you have to be the kind of person who's comfortable with uncertainty and has the discipline to save for taxes, slow periods, retirement, etc. Most people just aren't built for that kind of stress and prefer the predictability of regular paychecks, even if it means paying more in taxes.
This is SO true. I tried the contractor route for 2 years and went back to W2 employment even though I made more on paper as a contractor. The stress of inconsistent income, constantly chasing new clients, and never being able to truly disconnect was killing me. Plus I underestimated how much it would cost to replace my employer benefits. Health insurance alone for my family was over $1800/month with a terrible deductible! Sometimes the "tax savings" just aren't worth the quality of life sacrifice.
5 Just to add another data point - I went through this same confusion last year. There are different TYPES of pre-tax deductions that appear differently on your W-2: 1. Retirement contributions like 401k show up in Box 12 with codes like D, AA, etc. 2. Health insurance premiums are already subtracted from Box 1 but aren't listed separately 3. HSA contributions appear in Box 12 with code W 4. Dependent care FSA shows in Box 10 So yes, your health premiums ARE pre-tax, but they won't show as a separate item like your 401k does. Different pre-tax deductions are reported differently on W-2s.
8 That's so confusing! Why do they make this stuff so complicated? Is there any easy way to verify all my deductions were actually treated as pre-tax without doing a bunch of math?
5 The easiest way to verify is to look at your final paystub for the year. It should have a year-to-date summary that lists all pre-tax deductions separately. Compare your gross wages on the paystub to Box 1 on your W-2. The difference should equal the sum of all your pre-tax deductions. If you're still unsure, most payroll systems provide detailed earnings statements you can access online. These typically break down exactly how your wages were calculated and what deductions were taken pre-tax vs. post-tax.
16 Another thing to check: look for Box 14 on your W-2. Sometimes employers will put additional information there, including health insurance premiums. It's an optional field that employers can use to provide additional information. The stuff in Box 14 doesn't directly impact your tax return calculations, but it can be helpful for understanding what went into the numbers in the other boxes.
2 My Box 14 just says "Union Dues" and some amount. Nothing about health insurance. š Why can't they standardize this stuff?
CosmicCowboy
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - if you're self-employed and didn't file, the penalties can be way worse because you might have missed quarterly estimated payments too. I learned this the hard way a few years back. If you have self-employment income, you could be looking at penalties for: - Not filing (5% per month up to 25%) - Not paying (0.5% per month up to 25%) - Underpayment of estimated taxes (federal short-term interest rate plus 3%) - Plus interest on all of the above
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Dmitry Sokolov
ā¢Oh crap, I did have some freelance income last year. Not a ton, maybe $8,000 or so, but I definitely didn't make any quarterly payments. Would I get hit with all those penalties even though it wasn't my main source of income?
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CosmicCowboy
ā¢Yes, unfortunately the IRS doesn't distinguish between "main income" and "side income" - if you have self-employment earnings over $400, you're supposed to make estimated quarterly payments on that income. Your total penalty will depend on how much tax you owe on that $8,000. At that income level, you're looking at about 15.3% for self-employment tax plus your regular income tax rate. The good news is if this is your first time missing filing deadlines or estimated payments, you might qualify for first-time penalty abatement. Definitely mention that when you file or if you call the IRS.
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Amina Diallo
Just a heads up that you should also check your state tax situation too! Most states have their own penalties for late filing and payment that are separate from federal. Some states are more aggressive than others about collecting penalties.
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Oliver Schulz
ā¢Good point! My state (California) hit me with penalties that were almost as much as the federal ones when I missed filing a couple years ago. I had no idea states could be so strict.
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