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Make sure you're responding to the CP2000 by the deadline! The most important thing is to not ignore it even if you don't have all your documentation yet. For the Roth IRA portion, you need to prove your basis. The IRS assumes all distributions are earnings unless you can document your contributions. If you don't have records of your contributions, contact your IRA custodian ASAP to get historical statements. For the Traditional IRA, you're right that you'll owe taxes plus the 10% penalty since you didn't qualify for any exceptions. One thing to consider: if paying the total amount would cause financial hardship, you can request a payment plan when you respond to the CP2000. They're usually pretty reasonable about setting up installment agreements.

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Thanks for the reminder about responding by the deadline. The due date is in about 3 weeks, so I have a little time. Do you know if I'll get a separate bill for the penalties and interest, or will that be included in what I pay when I agree to the CP2000 assessment?

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When you agree to the CP2000 assessment, the response form will show the total additional tax amount they're proposing. This typically includes the 10% early withdrawal penalty for the Traditional IRA portion, but it does not include interest and potential late payment penalties. Those additional amounts will be calculated and included in the actual bill you receive after you've agreed to the assessment. The IRS will send you a separate notice (usually a CP22A) with the final amount including any interest and penalties. Interest continues to accrue until the amount is paid in full. If you're concerned about the total, it's definitely worth requesting an installment agreement either with your CP2000 response or when you receive the final bill. You can use Form 9465 to request a payment plan.

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KhalilStar

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Make sure you're using the correct year's Form 8606! I made the mistake of using the current year form instead of the form for the tax year in question. The IRS rejected my response and it added months to the process. You can find old tax forms on the IRS website by searching for "prior year forms." For 2019 forms (which I think is what you need based on your post), go to this page: https://www.irs.gov/forms-pubs/prior-year

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This is such an important point! I did the same thing and it caused all kinds of confusion. The IRS forms change slightly from year to year, and using the wrong one can really mess things up.

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Sophia Long

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Something that confused me when I was doing estimated taxes was that the line numbers changed from 2018 to 2019 to 2020. For 2018 returns, total tax was on line 15, for 2019 it was line 16, and for 2020 it's line 24. The IRS keeps reorganizing the 1040 form, so make sure you're looking at the right line for the right year!

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Thank you all for the helpful responses! I checked my 2020 return and found line 24 showing my total tax liability. Just to confirm, this is the amount I should use to make sure I've paid enough for 2021 through the combination of withholding and estimated payments, right?

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Sophia Long

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Exactly right! Line 24 from your 2020 return is the number you should use as your target for total 2021 payments (both withholding and estimated payments combined). If your income in 2020 was less than $150,000, you need to pay 100% of that line 24 amount. If your 2020 income was over $150,000, you need to pay 110% of that line 24 amount to hit the safe harbor protection against underpayment penalties.

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Don't forget if you're self-employed, you might also need to look at Schedule SE for the self-employment tax portion of your liability, although that gets rolled into the total tax on line 24 anyway. Self-employment tax can be a nasty surprise the first time you deal with it!

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This is so important! My first year being self-employed I completely underestimated my tax liability because I forgot about the self-employment tax. Ended up owing a bunch more than I planned for.

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Luca Bianchi

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My tax professor explained it like this: TIN is just the category name, while SSN, EIN, ITIN, etc. are the specific types of TINs. It's like how "vehicle" is the category, but "car," "truck," and "motorcycle" are specific types of vehicles.

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This is actually really helpful! So the TIN is just the umbrella term? Are there any other types of TINs besides SSN and EIN that regular people might encounter?

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Luca Bianchi

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Yes, TIN is exactly that - the umbrella term for various tax identification numbers. Besides SSNs and EINs, there are a few other types regular people might encounter. The most common alternative is the ITIN (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number), which is used by residents who need to file taxes but aren't eligible for an SSN, like certain visa holders or non-resident aliens. Another one is the PTIN (Preparer Tax Identification Number) which is used by professional tax preparers - you might see this on your tax return if someone else prepared it for you.

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Nia Harris

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Just to add some extra info - I work at a bank and we always ask for TIN on forms, but we make it clear that "For individuals, this is your SSN." A lot of people get confused by this. You'd be surprised how many people think they need to register for a separate TIN number somewhere.

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is there ever a case where a normal person (not a business) would have a different TIN than their ssn? like what if someone isn't a citizen?

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Ravi Patel

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Have you checked your online account with the payroll company directly? Sometimes you can still access your W2 even after you've left the company. I was able to log into ADP six months after leaving my job and still download my tax forms without needing employer approval.

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Paolo Marino

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I tried that first thing, but it seems my employer set up their ADP account differently. When I log in, I can only see paystubs up until I left, but no tax documents. The ADP rep specifically told me the employer has to grant access to those. I even have my last paystub, but I'm not confident in calculating all the tax amounts correctly from that alone.

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Ravi Patel

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That's frustrating! In that case, I'd definitely go with getting the wage transcript from the IRS like others suggested. One more thing - if you have your last paystub of the year, it often has your year-to-date totals which are usually pretty close to what appears on your W2. You could use that as a starting point while waiting for the official transcript. Just make sure to attach a note explaining the situation when you send documents to your state. Most tax agencies deal with this kind of employer non-compliance regularly and have procedures for it.

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FYI - your former employer is breaking the law. Employers are required to provide W2s by January 31st, and they must respond to requests for replacement W2s in a reasonable timeframe. You can actually file a complaint with your state's labor department as well as with the IRS.

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Omar Zaki

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This is exactly what I did when my former employer wouldn't give me my W2. Filed complaints with both the state labor department and the IRS. Got my W2 mysteriously emailed to me about a week later. Amazing how they suddenly "found" it after ignoring me for months!

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Nia Harris

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This happens more than you'd think! I'm a property manager and see this all the time with family properties. You need to file Form 8275 "Disclosure Statement" with your tax return to disclose this situation to the IRS. This will help protect you from penalties if the rental income hasn't been properly reported. Also get a Quitclaim deed to transfer the property back to your mom or to sell it - having property in your name that you don't control is a liability nightmare.

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Omar Farouk

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Thanks for this advice! So with the Form 8275, would I need to file this for just the current year or for previous years too? I have no idea how long this property has been in my name.

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Nia Harris

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You would ideally file the Form 8275 with an amended return for each year the property was in your name and generating income that wasn't reported on your tax return. However, the IRS generally only looks back 3 years for audits (6 years in cases of substantial underreporting), so many tax professionals focus on those years. For the Quitclaim deed, you'll need your mother's cooperation, but it's a relatively simple document that transfers your interest in the property back to her. This would at least stop the ongoing liability issue, even if you still need to address past years.

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Honestly your mom committed tax fraud if she's been collecting rent on property in your name but reporting it as her income. You should check your credit report too because sometimes people who put properties in others' names also take out loans. Document everything and consider consulting with a tax attorney before taking any action - you don't want to accidentally implicate yourself in tax evasion.

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Aisha Ali

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This! And check with the county to see if there are any liens or property tax issues too. My cousin's ex put a property in her name without telling her and then didn't pay property taxes for years. She found out when she went to buy a car and got denied for a loan because of the tax lien.

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