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Don't forget to check if your vending machine might actually be considered Section 1245 property which could make it subject to different recapture rules. I sold some business equipment last year and had to deal with this.
I'm not familiar with Section 1245 property - is that different from regular capital assets? Does it change how I would report the loss?
Section 1245 property generally refers to depreciable personal property used in a business. If you were using this vending machine as a business and taking depreciation deductions on it, then it would be Section 1245 property. The main difference is that losses on Section 1245 property are generally treated as ordinary losses rather than capital losses, which is actually better for you since ordinary losses don't have the $3,000 annual limitation that capital losses do. You'd report this on Form 4797 instead of 8949/Schedule D.
Can you clarify if you were operating this as a business? Because if you were taking any deductions for the machine operation or claiming depreciation, that changes everything about how you handle the loss.
This is really important! If OP was claiming business expenses and depreciation on the machine, this isn't a capital asset but business equipment and would be filed completely differently.
@862c57aae96a This is a crucial question that Sofia raised. If you were operating the vending machine as a business - even informally - and claimed any business expenses like electricity, maintenance, restocking costs, or depreciation on your tax returns, then this isn't a capital asset at all. It would be business property and the loss would be treated as an ordinary business loss on Form 4797, which is actually much better for you since there's no $3,000 annual limit like with capital losses. You'd need to look back at your previous tax returns to see if you reported any income or expenses related to the vending machine operation.
Don't forget that cryptocurrency transactions can also generate K-1s! I got burned by this last year when I invested in a crypto mining partnership. Had no idea I'd get a K-1 until it showed up in August. If youve done any crypto investing, double check those too.
Great thread everyone! As someone who's dealt with this exact nightmare before, I wanted to add a few more tips that helped me: 1. Check your email! Some partnerships now send K-1 availability notifications via email before mailing hard copies. Search your inbox for "K-1" or the partnership names you know about. 2. If you use a tax preparer, they often maintain client databases of which investments typically generate K-1s. Even if you're doing your own taxes this year, a quick call to your old preparer might jog your memory about partnerships you've forgotten. 3. Don't overlook smaller positions! I once missed a K-1 from a $200 investment that ended up having a $800 loss - those small trades can have big tax implications. 4. For future years, consider keeping a simple spreadsheet throughout the year of any partnership/PTP investments you make. Makes tax season so much less stressful when you have a running list to check against. The taxr.ai and Claimyr suggestions above sound really helpful - wish I'd known about those tools when I was scrambling last year!
Just FYI - there's a $2,500 threshold for Form 943. If you pay less than $2,500 in wages to agricultural employees during the year, you might be exempt from filing. But since you mentioned running regular payroll, sounds like you'll be over that. And if you're using a payroll service they should handle the deposits and everything for you!
Good point about the threshold! Also worth mentioning that the deposit schedule for Form 943 taxes follows different rules than Form 941. Agricultural employers have to be careful about that too.
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar situation with our small vineyard. One thing I wanted to add that might help others - make sure you also understand the difference in Social Security and Medicare tax treatment for agricultural employees. Agricultural workers are subject to Social Security and Medicare taxes, but the timing of when you need to pay these can be different from regular employees. For agricultural employees, you generally don't owe Social Security and Medicare taxes until you either pay them $150 or more in cash wages during the year, OR they work for you on 20 or more days during the year for cash wages computed on a time basis (rather than piecework). This is different from the income tax withholding rules, so you could have a situation where you're withholding income tax but not yet owing Social Security/Medicare taxes, or vice versa. Your payroll provider should know this, but it's worth double-checking since agricultural payroll has so many special rules that even experienced providers sometimes miss!
I'm a GC and I can tell you there's NO WAY to legally pay zero taxes unless you're either: 1) Making so little money that you fall below taxable thresholds 2) Having business losses that offset any income 3) Lying Even if he's writing off every possible business expense, self-employment taxes ALONE would be 15.3% of net income. There's basically no way around that unless he's incorporated in a specific way, but then he'd be paying corporate taxes.
Your neighbor is almost certainly either exaggerating or breaking the law. As someone who's worked in tax compliance for years, I can tell you that the IRS has gotten very sophisticated at catching unreported income, especially in cash-heavy industries like construction. Even if he's legitimately maximizing every business deduction available - vehicle expenses, tools, materials, home office, etc. - there are still minimum tax obligations he can't avoid. Self-employment tax alone is 15.3% on net earnings, and that applies regardless of how many deductions he takes. The lifestyle you're describing (new truck, vacations, pool) while claiming zero tax liability is exactly the kind of red flag that triggers IRS scrutiny. They have algorithms that compare reported income to spending patterns, and auditors are specifically trained to spot these discrepancies. If he's really bragging about this to neighbors, he's being incredibly reckless. The IRS takes tax evasion seriously, and the penalties can be devastating - not just back taxes, but interest, fines, and potentially criminal charges. I'd stay far away from whatever "system" he thinks he's using.
This is really helpful insight from someone with actual compliance experience! I'm starting to think my neighbor is either completely delusional about his tax situation or setting himself up for a major fall. The fact that he's openly bragging about it makes it even worse - like you said, that's just asking for trouble with the IRS. I definitely won't be taking any "advice" from him about taxes!
Lorenzo McCormick
17 Another option is to file electronically through a tax professional. Some EAs and CPAs can e-file returns from the previous three tax years through professional software. This might save you time and reduce processing errors compared to paper filing. I did this for my 2021 and 2022 returns last month, and my refund for 2022 was deposited within 3 weeks. The professional I worked with charged about $200 per year, but the speed and accuracy were worth it to me.
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Lorenzo McCormick
ā¢4 Can tax pros e-file ALL prior year returns? I thought only the most recent 2-3 years could be filed electronically, and anything older had to be paper filed.
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Lorenzo McCormick
ā¢17 Tax professionals can generally e-file returns for the current year and two years prior. Right now in 2025, that means they can potentially e-file for 2022, 2023, and 2024 tax years. Any returns older than that (like 2021 or earlier) would still need to be paper filed. So in your situation, a tax professional could e-file your 2022 return, but your 2021 would still need to be mailed in. The rules about which years can be e-filed change each year as the IRS rolls forward their systems.
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Lorenzo McCormick
8 Just a heads up - make sure you're including ALL the required forms and schedules with each return. I mailed my 2020 and 2021 returns last year and my 2020 got rejected because I forgot to include one of my W-2 forms. The whole thing got sent back to me weeks later and I had to restart the process. So frustrating! Double and triple check everything before sealing those envelopes!
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Lorenzo McCormick
ā¢2 Did you get hit with additional penalties because of the rejection and having to resubmit? I'm nervous about making mistakes on my late returns too.
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ā¢Fortunately, no additional penalties for the rejection itself - the penalty clock keeps running from the original due date regardless of processing delays or rejections. The key is that your filing date is considered the date you first mailed it, even if it gets rejected for missing documents. When I resubmitted with all the correct forms, they used my original mailing date. Just make sure to keep records of when you first sent everything and use certified mail so you have proof of the date!
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