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One solution that worked for me was switching to making quarterly estimated payments instead of trying to get the withholding perfect. I still do some basic withholding but then make 4 payments throughout the year to cover the rest. It's actually easier for me because I can calculate exactly what I need based on our actual income as the year progresses, rather than trying to predict everything perfectly in January.
I've considered that approach too. How do you calculate your quarterly payments? Do you use tax software, or is there some formula you follow? And do you ever worry about underpayment penalties if your estimates are off?
I use last year's total tax as my safe harbor amount (which avoids penalties as long as you pay at least 100% or 110% of prior year tax, depending on your income level). I take that amount, subtract what will be withheld through our regular paychecks, and divide the remainder by 4 for each quarterly payment. I track it in a simple spreadsheet. For example, if last year's tax was $52,000, and I expect about $40,000 to be withheld through payroll, I'll make quarterly payments of $3,000 each ($12,000 รท 4). This approach completely eliminates underpayment penalties as long as you hit that safe harbor amount.
The withholding tables definitely have problems with dual high incomes. My accountant explained it's because each employer calculates withholding as if that job is your only income source. For example, if you each make $130k, each employer withholds as if you're in a lower tax bracket. But combined, your $260k pushes much more income into higher brackets. The automated withholding systems simply aren't designed to handle this scenario well.
This is exactly right. I'm a payroll specialist and see this all the time with higher-income couples. The withholding system was really designed for single-income households or situations where one income is significantly higher than the other. When you have two high earners, the tables just don't work correctly.
Thanks for confirming! My accountant also mentioned that the 2020 W4 redesign was supposed to help with this, but most people don't know how to fill it out correctly for dual-income situations. Apparently there's a special worksheet for two-income families that many people skip.
I used to work for one of these "tax resolution" companies. 100% these letters are designed to scare people into calling. The company I worked for would buy lists of people with tax liens then send out thousands of these scary letters. When people called in panicking, sales reps would push unnecessary services with huge fees. Some signs that scream SCAM: - Urgent language about "immediate action required" - Threatening language about wage garnishment, bank levies, etc. - Mentions of "special programs" they can access - Excessive fees upfront before any work is done - Guarantees about settlement amounts The IRS does have legitimate payment plans and programs, but you can access these directly without paying thousands to a middleman.
Thank you so much for the insider perspective! The letter my dad got has almost all of these warning signs you listed. They're definitely using scare tactics with all the talk about "immediate action required" and "avoid asset seizure." Would the IRS ever send letters through third parties like this? Or is that alone enough to know it's not legitimate?
The IRS will never initiate contact through a third party. That alone is a huge red flag. All official IRS communications come directly from the IRS on their letterhead with official seals and usually include your tax ID number. The only time third parties might legitimately contact you about taxes is if you've already hired them, or in rare cases if you've been assigned to a private debt collector - but even then, the IRS would contact you first to tell you they've assigned your case to a private collection agency.
Do NOT let your dad call that number!!! My grandfather got scammed out of $7,000 by one of these "tax resolution specialists" last year. They convinced him he was about to have his social security payments garnished and that they were his only hope to avoid it. They kept him on the phone for hours using scare tactics until he finally agreed to pay their "resolution fee" using his credit card. It was a nightmare trying to get the charges reversed.
This happened to my mom too! These scammers specifically target older people who might not know how to verify if tax issues are real. They got her for $3,200 claiming they would "settle her tax debt" which turned out to be completely made up.
From what I understand, it also depends on whether you're reimbursing the employee or if they're trying to claim a deduction. The TCJA eliminated miscellaneous itemized deductions for employees through 2025, so even if these are technically "business miles," the employee can't deduct them on their personal return. But you as the employer can still choose to reimburse them tax-free if they qualify as business miles.
Wait, so employees can't deduct mileage at all anymore? I've been tracking all my miles going between worksites thinking I could claim them. Does that only work for self-employed people now?
Yes, that's exactly right. Since the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, employees can no longer deduct unreimbursed business expenses, including mileage, on their personal tax returns. This elimination of miscellaneous itemized deductions is scheduled to continue through 2025. Self-employed individuals, independent contractors, and business owners can still deduct their legitimate business mileage on Schedule C or their business returns. So if you're an employee, your best option is to request an accountable reimbursement plan from your employer.
Doesn't your determination also depend on what state you're in? California has different rules than federal for some of this stuff. Our accountant says we have to follow the stricter of the two sets of rules.
Have you considered reaching out to CPAs who specialize in US-Mexico tax issues? I practice in Texas near the border and we handle these situations regularly. The key issues for S corps in Mexico include: 1. Entity classification - Mexico doesn't recognize S corps, so you'll need to determine how Mexico will classify the operation 2. Transfer pricing - Documentation requirements if goods/services move between US and Mexican operations 3. Permanent establishment - Having fixed operations in Mexico creates Mexican tax obligations 4. Currency translation - Dealing with peso transactions and exchange rate considerations 5. VAT implications - Mexico has a value-added tax system unlike US sales tax Feel free to message me if you want to discuss a referral arrangement. This is definitely not something to learn on the fly.
Those are helpful points, especially about the entity classification and VAT implications. I hadn't even considered the currency translation issues. Would you recommend any particular resources for understanding the basics of the US-Mexico tax treaty? I'd like to get enough background knowledge to at least ask intelligent questions when I do consult with a specialist.
The best starting point would be the actual US-Mexico tax treaty text, which you can find on the IRS website. While technical, it outlines the fundamental principles. For a more accessible overview, the IBFD has good summaries of treaty provisions that explain concepts like permanent establishment thresholds and withholding tax rates. The Tax Executive Institute also publishes good articles on US-Mexico cross-border taxation. For the currency translation issues, look at the basic rules in IRC Section 988 and Reg. 1.988, which cover foreign currency transactions. Understanding these basics will definitely help you ask the right questions when you consult with specialists who handle these matters regularly.
One major point not mentioned yet - the S corp status itself could be jeopardized! Under IRC ยง1361, an S corporation cannot have a foreign subsidiary as a disregarded entity. If your client creates a Mexican subsidiary rather than just a branch, they could inadvertently terminate their S status. A branch structure might work better, but that creates direct nexus with Mexico and direct Mexican tax liability for the S corp. Definitely not a DIY situation.
Reginald Blackwell
One thing to watch out for - I tried doing this last year with my Chase card thinking I was being clever, but the processing fee of 1.98% basically wiped out my 2% cashback. After calculating it all out, I think I made like $8 in actual profit. Not really worth the hassle unless you have a card with higher rewards or a signup bonus you're trying to hit.
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Adaline Wong
โขThat's a good point about the fees potentially offsetting the rewards. My main card actually gives 2.5% back on everything for the first $10k spent each quarter, so I should still come out ahead. Did you have any issues with the IRS or your credit card company questioning the large payment? That's my main concern.
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Reginald Blackwell
โขI didn't have any issues with the IRS questioning the payment. They really don't care how you pay as long as they get their money. My credit card company did temporarily flag the transaction due to the size, but that was resolved with a quick text confirmation. If you're using a card that gives 2.5% back, you'll definitely come out ahead. Just give your credit card company a heads up before making the payment to avoid any fraud holds. Large IRS payments are actually pretty common, especially during tax season, so the credit card companies are generally familiar with them.
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Aria Khan
Has anyone looked into whether receiving Zelle payments from someone else for tax reimbursement could trigger the new $600 reporting threshold? I've heard mixed things about whether that applies to personal payments.
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Everett Tutum
โขThe $600 reporting threshold only applies to goods and services payments, not personal transactions like reimbursements. As long as you're not marking these as "goods and services" in Zelle (which I don't think is even an option), you should be fine. It's just like splitting a dinner bill.
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