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Ethan Brown

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Something to consider - make sure the hybrid car you purchased actually qualifies for the tax credit you're trying to claim. Not all hybrids qualify for the full amount or any credit at all. The IRS maintains a list of qualified vehicles and the credit amount for each. Also, there are phase-out periods based on how many qualified vehicles a manufacturer has sold. If you bought your car late in the phase-out period, the credit might be reduced or eliminated. What specific make and model did you purchase? That might help identify if there's a known issue with that particular vehicle.

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I bought a Toyota RAV4 Prime PHEV. When I purchased it, the dealer specifically mentioned it qualified for the federal tax credit, and my tax software (TurboTax) confirmed it qualified based on the info I entered. That's why I'm so confused about the rejection based on VIN - everything else seems to match up with eligibility.

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Ethan Brown

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That explains it! Toyota hit their 200,000 vehicle limit for the full credit back in 2021, which triggered the phase-out period. If you purchased your RAV4 Prime in 2023, you were likely in the final phase-out period where the credit was significantly reduced or possibly eliminated completely. What probably happened is that your tax software may not have been updated with the latest phase-out information, or there was a miscommunication about which tax year's rules applied to your purchase. The VIN rejection might actually be the IRS's system recognizing that your particular vehicle doesn't qualify for the credit amount you claimed. I recommend checking the exact date Toyota hit their limit and calculating where your purchase falls in the phase-out timeline. This specific information would be crucial for your appeal.

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Has anyone used the Taxpayer Advocate Service? I heard they can help with situations like this where there seems to be a technical issue rather than you actually doing something wrong. They're supposed to be independent within the IRS and help taxpayers navigate issues.

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Carmen Ruiz

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I used the Taxpayer Advocate Service last year when I had an issue with a rejected education credit. They were actually really helpful! You need to fill out Form 911 (yes that's really what it's called lol) to request their help. They assigned someone to my case who actually called me back and helped resolve the issue in about 3 weeks.

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Amina Toure

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Has your friend checked if they qualify for any tax credits? Sometimes the issue isn't just withholding but missing opportunities to reduce the tax bill. Since you mentioned they have an ex who claims their child, they might qualify for some credits even if they don't claim the child as a dependent. Also, if they're contributing to a traditional 401k, they might consider looking into whether a Roth 401k would be better for their tax situation in the long run. Won't help with the immediate withholding issue but could be better tax-wise over time.

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StarSailor}

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That's a really interesting point about tax credits! I don't think we've explored that angle. He pays child support but doesn't have custody, so I'm not sure what credits might apply in his situation. Are there specific ones you know of that might help? And good point about the Roth 401k - I'm pretty sure he's in the traditional one but I'll definitely mention that option to him.

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Amina Toure

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If he pays child support, he should look into whether he qualifies for the noncustodial parent earned income credit in his state (some states offer this). While he won't qualify for the federal EIC without claiming the child, he might be eligible for other adjustments. For the 401k, Traditional reduces his taxable income now but taxes later, while Roth is taxed now but tax-free later. If he's in a lower tax bracket now than he expects to be in retirement, Roth often makes more sense. Either way, remind him that his 401k contribution percentage might need to be adjusted if he switches types to maintain the same take-home pay.

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Has anyone noticed that the W4 calculator on the IRS website is actually terrible at calculating the right withholding? I tried using it for 2 years straight and still ended up owing!

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The IRS calculator is definitely hit or miss. It works okay for people with very standard situations (one job, no deductions beyond standard, no credits) but fails for anything remotely complex. I've had better luck with some of the calculators built into tax software like TurboTax's W4 helper, but even those aren't perfect.

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Ethan Wilson

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Another approach that might help - check your W2 box 14. Sometimes employers will put the ISO income amount there with a code like "ISO" or "NQSO" or something similar. That can help you identify exactly how much was already included in your income. Also, did your employer provide any supplemental tax forms or information about the disqualifying disposition? Many companies will give you a statement showing the breakdown that you can use to properly report on your taxes.

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Diego Rojas

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Yes, they did put it in box 14 with "ISO-DQ" next to the amount! The supplemental statement they gave me breaks down the bargain element that was included in my W2 income. The confusing part has been figuring out exactly where to enter this in TurboTax to avoid the double counting.

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Ethan Wilson

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Perfect! That ISO-DQ code is exactly what you need. When you enter your stock sale in TurboTax, there should be a section where you can adjust your cost basis. You'll want to add the amount listed next to "ISO-DQ" in box 14 to your original purchase price of the shares. For example, if you originally paid $2,000 for the shares, and the ISO-DQ amount is $5,000, your adjusted basis would be $7,000. This ensures you're only taxed on the actual gain from purchase to final sale, not including the amount already taxed as ordinary income.

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NeonNova

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Has anyone tried the IRS's free filing options for this kind of situation? I'm dealing with ISOs too but don't want to pay for TurboTax premium just for this one issue.

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Yuki Tanaka

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Free File options usually don't handle complicated stock transactions very well. I tried using Free File Fillable Forms last year for my ISO situation and ended up switching to a paid version of TaxAct because it was too confusing.

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21 I used expressextensions last year for my 7004 and it was completely fine. Basic interface but it got the job done and I received my confirmation pretty quickly. Nothing fancy but reliable. They charge about $25 if I remember correctly.

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7 Did they send you any kind of notification when the IRS actually accepted it? Or just confirmation that you submitted?

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21 Yes, they sent two emails. The first was immediate confirmation that my form was submitted through their system. The second email came about 24 hours later confirming the IRS had accepted my extension. They also had a status tracker on their website where I could log in and check if anything had changed.

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4 I'd just use your regular tax software if you already have it. Most of the major ones like TurboTax Business, TaxAct, or H&R Block Premium can e-file 7004 extensions. Why pay for a separate service?

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11 Not all tax software includes Form 7004 in their basic packages though. I tried using TaxAct last year and discovered I needed to upgrade to their business package just to file an extension, which was like $70+ more than I wanted to spend just for the extension form.

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Lauren Zeb

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If you're still getting a W-2, you might be what's called a statutory employee. Check box 13 on your W-2 when you get it - if "statutory employee" is checked, that's a different situation and you CAN deduct business expenses on Schedule C (which TurboTax definitely handles). I'm in a similar situation as a delivery driver - technically W-2 but with the statutory employee box checked, which lets me deduct mileage, vehicle maintenance, etc. TurboTax has a specific section for this!

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The Boss

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That's interesting, I've never heard of "statutory employee" before. I'll definitely check box 13 when I get my W-2. Do you know if cable/internet installers typically fall into this category? The job involves driving to different houses throughout the day to install equipment.

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Lauren Zeb

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Cable/internet installers can sometimes qualify as statutory employees, especially if you're paid on commission or job completion rather than hourly, and if you're responsible for your own expenses. The key factors are usually: 1) you personally provide the service, 2) you don't have a substantial investment in equipment, 3) you have a continuing relationship with the company, and 4) you don't have significant profit/loss risk. If box 13 is checked, TurboTax will walk you through a Schedule C where you can deduct all those gas receipts and tools. Just make sure you're tracking mileage as well as receipts - the standard mileage deduction is often better than actual gas expenses.

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Just my 2 cents, but if this is your first year with this more complicated situation, it might be worth paying a professional ONCE to get everything set up correctly. Then in future years you can go back to TurboTax once you understand how to handle everything. That's what I did when I started my side business - paid an accountant the first year, then used his return as a template for doing it myself with TurboTax in subsequent years.

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This is actually really good advice. I did the same thing. Paid a CPA about $300 the first year I had contractor income, then just copied the format in TurboTax the next year. Saved me so much stress about doing it wrong!

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