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Has anyone actually tried claiming AOTC for grad school after finishing undergrad in 3 years? Would the IRS system automatically flag this or would it only come up in an audit? Asking for... reasons...

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Aisha Ali

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Don't do it. The IRS systems are pretty good at catching this now. They get information from your school about what degree program you're in, and universities report whether you're an undergraduate or graduate student on the 1098-T form. It's not worth risking an audit and penalties over this.

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I'm actually a tax preparer and see this question come up a lot during tax season. The confusion is totally understandable because the "4 years" language does seem like it should work the way you're thinking. Unfortunately, the AOTC eligibility is tied to your degree status, not the number of calendar years you've been in school. Once you have a bachelor's degree (even if earned in 3 years), the IRS considers you to have completed your undergraduate education and you're no longer eligible for AOTC regardless of having that "unused" 4th year. The good news is that the Lifetime Learning Credit is actually pretty decent for grad school - you can claim 20% of up to $10,000 in qualified expenses (so max $2,000 credit). With your $24k tuition, you'd be able to claim the full $2,000 assuming your income doesn't phase you out. At $85k income filing single, you should still qualify for the full credit. Just make sure when you file that you claim the LLC instead of AOTC - the IRS gets 1098-T forms from schools that indicate your student status, so they'll catch it if you try to claim AOTC for graduate coursework.

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This is exactly the kind of clear, professional explanation I was hoping to find! As someone who just went through this exact situation, it's really helpful to get confirmation from an actual tax preparer. I was getting confused by all the different interpretations of the "4 years" language, but your explanation about it being tied to degree status rather than calendar years makes perfect sense. One quick follow-up question if you don't mind - when you mention the IRS getting 1098-T forms that indicate student status, does that mean they automatically cross-reference those against AOTC claims? I'm just curious how quickly they'd catch someone trying to claim the wrong credit. Thanks for taking the time to explain this so clearly!

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StormChaser

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Just make sure you're keeping really detailed records of all your ESPP transactions!!! I got audited last year because I messed up reporting my ESPP sales and it was a nightmare 😩 I didn't have proper documentation of my purchase prices and discount amounts for each lot of shares, and had to reconstruct everything from scratch. Now I keep a spreadsheet with every purchase date, offering date, discount amount, purchase price, fair market value, and sale information.

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Which tax software do you guys recommend for handling ESPP sales? I've been using TurboTax but it seems confused when I input my ESPP information, especially with multiple lots sold in the same year.

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For handling ESPP sales with multiple lots, I've found that FreeTaxUSA actually handles these transactions much better than TurboTax. It has a more intuitive interface for entering the ordinary income portion separately from the capital gains/losses. The key is to make sure you're reporting each lot sale correctly: 1. The discount portion goes on your W-2 as ordinary income (your employer should handle this) 2. The capital gain/loss goes on Schedule D, using the fair market value on purchase date as your cost basis (NOT the discounted price you paid) If you're still having trouble, consider using Form 8949 to provide additional details for each transaction. The IRS wants to see that you understand the difference between the compensation element (discount) and the investment element (capital gain/loss). And definitely keep those detailed records like StormChaser mentioned - having everything documented by lot makes tax time so much easier!

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This is really helpful! I've been struggling with understanding the cost basis calculation for ESPP sales. Just to clarify - when you say use the fair market value on purchase date as the cost basis, does that mean I should ignore the discounted price I actually paid? For example, if the fair market value was $100 on purchase date but I paid $85 (15% discount), my cost basis for capital gains purposes would be $100, not $85? And the $15 discount would already be reported as ordinary income on my W-2? I want to make sure I'm not double-counting anything when I report these transactions.

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Sergio Neal

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Your total tax bill seems in line with what I experienced when I was fully self-employed. The breakdown was roughly: - Regular income tax: ~22% effective rate - Self-employment tax: ~15.3% (Social Security + Medicare) That puts you right around 37% total, but deductions usually bring it down to 30-33%. It sucks, but it's the reality of self-employment. One thing that helped me was switching to making monthly tax payments instead of quarterly. Psychologically it felt better to pay $5-6k monthly than to get hit with $16-18k quarterly bills.

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Can you really make monthly payments instead of quarterly? I thought the IRS only accepted quarterly estimated payments on specific dates?

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Diego Ramirez

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I feel your pain! I'm also a self-employed photographer and went through the exact same shock last year. That 30% tax rate is unfortunately very normal for our income level. What helped me was realizing that employees making the same amount effectively pay similar rates - they just don't see it because their employer covers half the Social Security/Medicare taxes and withholds everything from their paychecks. We get hit with the full reality all at once. A few things that made it easier for me: - Opened a separate "tax savings" account and automatically transfer 35% of every payment I receive - Started making estimated payments monthly instead of quarterly (you can send them anytime, not just on the due dates) - Maxed out my SEP-IRA contribution which reduced my taxable income by $69,000 last year The retirement account contributions alone saved me about $20k in taxes. If you haven't set one up yet, you have until your tax filing deadline (including extensions) to contribute for 2024. It's still a lot of money, but at least now I budget for it properly instead of getting blindsided every year.

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Diego Rojas

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This is really helpful, especially the part about the SEP-IRA! I had no idea you could contribute that much and get such significant tax savings. Quick question - when you say you transfer 35% of every payment to your tax savings account, do you do that on gross income or after business expenses? I'm trying to figure out the right percentage to set aside from each client payment.

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Amaya Watson

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As someone who works in FSA administration, I want to clarify a few things that might help everyone here. The IRS Publication 502 is pretty clear that items must be "primarily for medical care" to qualify. However, there's more flexibility than people realize when you have proper documentation. The key is getting your doctor to write a very specific prescription letter stating that the device is "medically necessary" for your diabetes management and that alternative methods are not suitable for your condition. Include language like "prescribed for the sole purpose of continuous glucose monitoring" rather than just "helpful for diabetes management." Also, keep detailed records showing the device is used exclusively for medical purposes - screenshots of only medical apps installed, receipts for medical-only accessories, etc. Some FSA administrators will approve items that clearly demonstrate exclusive medical use, even if the device technically has other capabilities. One more tip: if your initial claim gets rejected, don't give up. The appeals process often gets reviewed by different people who might interpret the guidelines more favorably, especially with strong medical documentation.

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Mei Chen

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This is incredibly helpful insight from someone who actually works in FSA administration! Thank you for breaking down the specific language that works best. I'm curious - when you mention keeping detailed records of exclusive medical use, how long should someone maintain those records? And if an FSA administrator approves a smartphone for exclusive CGM use one year, does that create any precedent for future smartphone replacements, or would each new device need to go through the same documentation process?

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Lauren Wood

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Great question! For record-keeping, the IRS generally recommends maintaining documentation for at least 3 years after filing your return, but I'd suggest keeping FSA medical device records for 5-7 years since audits can sometimes go back further for substantial claims. Regarding precedent - unfortunately, each device purchase typically needs to go through the same documentation process. FSA administrators don't usually create blanket approvals for future purchases, even if you've had success before. However, having a previous approval does help your case significantly. I always recommend clients keep copies of their successful approval letters and reference them in future claims, along with updated medical documentation. One pro tip: if you're planning to replace a previously approved medical device, submit your new claim with a copy of the prior approval and a note from your doctor confirming your medical condition hasn't changed and you still require the same type of device. This streamlines the review process considerably.

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Ally Tailer

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This thread has been incredibly informative! As someone who's been dealing with Type 1 diabetes for over 15 years, I've seen the technology evolve from fingerstick-only monitoring to these amazing CGM systems. One thing I'd add to the discussion: if you're considering the dedicated smartphone approach that several people mentioned, make sure to check with your insurance first. Some insurance plans will actually cover a portion of "durable medical equipment" when it's prescribed specifically for chronic disease management. While they won't cover a regular smartphone, they might cover a device that's prescribed and documented as exclusively medical. Also, don't forget that your CGM sensors, transmitters, and any prescription apps are definitely FSA/HSA eligible - so even if the phone doesn't qualify, you're still saving significantly on the ongoing supplies. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and especially to those who provided the professional insights. This community is exactly why I love Reddit!

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E-filing tax returns shut down until January - Important 2025 filing dates

Heads up everyone - the IRS is shutting down their e-filing system for the annual maintenance period next week! The system will be offline starting December 12th and probably won't be back online until late January. This is their regular "MeF Production shutdown" that happens every year around this time. If you still haven't filed your 2024 taxes yet (seriously?), you've got about 5 days left to e-file through a professional tax preparer. All the DIY sites like TurboTax and FreeTaxUSA have already closed their e-filing services for the year. After next week, you'll be stuck paper-filing by mail, and let me tell you the IRS is MONTHS behind on processing paper returns. I know someone who paper-filed in April and just got their refund last month! Just some important things to note: * This shutdown only affects individual 1040 returns * E-filing through professional preparers ends next week * DIY sites have already shut down for the year * Paper filing will significantly delay your processing time And yeah, obviously if you haven't filed yet, you're way past both the regular and extended deadlines... just saying. The penalties are probably adding up. If you're not too worried about penalties, it might actually be better to wait and e-file with a tax pro in January rather than paper filing now. Pro tip: talk to a tax professional ASAP while they have some downtime, before they get swamped with 2025 tax season stuff!

This is really helpful information! I'm new to this community but definitely not new to tax procrastination unfortunately. I'm one of those people who somehow let 2024 slip by without filing, and now I'm scrambling with this shutdown deadline looming. I have a question about timing that I haven't seen addressed yet - if I do manage to get my return prepared and e-filed through a tax professional before Thursday's shutdown, how long should I expect to wait for processing? Is there any advantage to filing right before the shutdown versus filing early in a normal year, or does it all just sit in the same queue? Also, I'm seeing some conflicting information online about whether certain tax software companies have already shut down their e-filing for individual returns. Does anyone have a current list of which services are still accepting e-filed returns this week versus which ones have already closed for the year? The penalty information shared by the tax professionals here is definitely motivating me to stop dragging my feet. Better late than never, but also better this week than in January if I can manage it!

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Welcome to the community! Great question about timing - if you manage to e-file before Thursday's shutdown, your return will actually process pretty normally. The IRS continues processing e-filed returns that were submitted before the shutdown, so you'd likely see your refund or confirmation within the usual 1-3 weeks rather than having to wait until January. Regarding software availability, you're right that it's a mixed bag right now. From what I've seen, most of the major DIY platforms like TurboTax, H&R Block online, and FreeTaxUSA have already closed their e-filing for individual returns as mentioned in the original post. However, tax professionals using commercial software like Drake, Lacerte, or ProSeries can typically e-file right up until the IRS system shutdown on Thursday. So if you want to e-file this week, your best bet is definitely going through a tax professional rather than trying to do it yourself online. The window is really narrow now, but if you can get an appointment in the next couple of days, you'll avoid both the paper filing delays and the January rush when everyone's trying to file at once. Good luck getting it sorted out before the deadline!

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Anna Kerber

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This is such a great breakdown of the shutdown timeline! I had no idea the e-filing system would be down for almost two months. I'm definitely one of those people who's been putting off my 2024 return, and this post is the wake-up call I needed. I'm in a situation where I moved states mid-year and changed jobs, so my tax situation is more complicated than usual. Based on what everyone's saying about the rush before shutdown, I'm thinking my best bet might be to get everything organized this week but wait for January to file with a professional when they're less rushed and can give my complex situation proper attention. One thing I'm curious about - for those who have been through this shutdown period before, does the IRS typically stick to their projected reopening timeline, or do they sometimes extend the maintenance period? I'm trying to plan when to expect my refund if I wait until January to file. Thanks for all the detailed advice from the tax professionals here - this community is incredibly helpful for navigating these timing issues!

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Welcome to the community! Your approach sounds really smart given your complex situation with the state move and job change. Those multi-state returns can be tricky, and you're absolutely right that waiting for January when tax pros have more time to focus on the details is probably the better choice. Regarding the IRS timeline, they're usually pretty reliable about sticking to their reopening schedule. In my experience following this community over the past few years, they typically announce the exact opening date in early January and stick to it. Last year they reopened on January 23rd as projected. The IRS is generally better at meeting their technology deadlines than they used to be, especially after all the criticism they got for delays in previous years. One tip for your multi-state situation - start gathering your documents now and maybe even reach out to a few tax preparers to get on their January schedule. With a job change and state move, you'll want someone who's experienced with those situations, and the good ones book up fast once W-2s start arriving in mailboxes. Having everything organized ahead of time will make the process much smoother when filing season officially opens!

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