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I went through this exact situation with my S-corp last year and completely understand the panic you're feeling right now! That $1,670 penalty for what amounts to a calendar mix-up feels absolutely crushing, especially for a business with zero activity. Here's what worked for me: I wrote a concise but detailed letter explaining the reasonable cause - specifically that I confused the S-corp March 15th deadline with individual tax deadlines since the business had been completely inactive. I made sure to emphasize three key points: 1) the business has had zero income/activity since it went dormant, 2) there was no tax impact to the Treasury, and 3) I have a clean compliance history and was requesting First Time Penalty Abatement. The IRS approved my request in about 6 weeks and removed the entire penalty. What really seemed to matter was being honest about the mistake while showing that this was a genuine error for an inactive business, not tax avoidance. Don't lose hope - the IRS is actually quite reasonable about these situations when you can demonstrate reasonable cause. The fact that your business is truly inactive with zero dollars at stake works strongly in your favor. You've got this!
@Tyrone This is incredibly reassuring! I'm in the exact same boat - S-corp dormant since 2019, mixed up the deadlines, and that $1,670 penalty felt like a punch to the gut. Your success story gives me so much hope that this isn't the end of the world. I really appreciate you breaking down the key points that seemed to matter most to the IRS. The emphasis on zero tax impact to the Treasury makes a lot of sense - they're not losing any actual revenue from our mistake, just dealing with paperwork filed a month late. Quick question - when you wrote your letter, did you send it to the address on the penalty notice, or is there a specific department for penalty abatements? Also, did you use any specific language or cite any IRS manual sections, or did you just explain everything in plain English? I want to make sure I hit all the right notes when I write mine. Thanks so much for sharing your positive outcome - it's exactly what I needed to hear to feel confident about moving forward with the abatement request!
I went through this exact same situation with my S-corp about 6 months ago - dormant since 2018, filed the zero-activity 1120S in April instead of March, and got hit with that same $1,670 penalty that makes your stomach drop. After reading through all the advice here, I decided to try both approaches: called the business line at 800-829-4933 first, then followed up with a written request. The phone call was surprisingly productive - the representative was knowledgeable and understanding about deadline confusion for inactive businesses. She started the penalty abatement process immediately and explained that cases like mine with zero tax impact are typically approved under reasonable cause relief. I also sent a follow-up letter to the address on my penalty notice, specifically mentioning "First Time Penalty Abatement" and emphasizing that my business had been completely inactive with no income or tax revenue impact to the Treasury. The combination approach seemed to work well - I received full penalty abatement confirmation about 7 weeks later. The key insight from my experience is that the IRS really does understand these are honest mistakes, especially when there's no actual tax avoidance involved. For inactive S-corps, the deadline confusion is incredibly common and they handle these cases routinely. Don't let the penalty amount scare you - with your circumstances (inactive business, zero activity, clean history), you have an excellent chance of success!
@Liam Thank you so much for sharing your experience with the combination approach! I'm currently facing this exact situation - S-corp dormant since 2019, filed late thinking it was due April 15th, and just received that devastating $1,670 penalty notice. Your strategy of calling first AND following up with a written request seems really smart. It gives you the best of both worlds - potential immediate resolution over the phone, plus documentation in writing for your records. I'm curious about the timing - did you send the written letter right after your phone call, or did you wait to see if the phone call alone would resolve it? Also, when you mentioned "First Time Penalty Abatement" in your letter, did you need to provide any proof of your clean compliance history, or do they verify that internally? I want to make sure I include all the right elements when I write my follow-up letter. It's incredibly encouraging to hear about your success - transforming what felt like a financial nightmare into a completely resolved situation. Thanks for giving those of us in similar situations hope that there's light at the end of this tunnel!
Don't forget about property tax reassessment! In some counties, a transfer - even between family members - can trigger a reassessment of the property value for property tax purposes. In my area, property that had been assessed at 1980s values suddenly got updated to current market value after a family transfer, and the annual property taxes increased by 5x! Make sure you check with your local tax assessor about any potential property tax implications before making the transfer.
Great point about property tax reassessment! This happened to a neighbor of mine too. One thing that might help is checking if your state has any family transfer exemptions. Some states like California have Proposition 19 rules that can limit reassessment for certain parent-to-child transfers, though the rules have gotten more restrictive recently. Also, if the land is currently classified as agricultural or forestry land for tax purposes, make sure the transfer won't cause it to lose that classification. Agricultural land often gets significant property tax breaks, and losing that status could mean a huge jump in annual taxes even without a reassessment of value. It's worth calling your county assessor's office before the transfer to ask specifically about their family transfer policies. Some counties are more aggressive about triggering reassessments than others, and knowing what to expect can help you plan for any increased tax burden.
This is really valuable information! I had no idea about the agricultural classification issue. My parents' land is currently classified as agricultural since they lease some of it to a local farmer for hay production. Do you know if continuing that lease arrangement after the transfer would help maintain the agricultural status? Or does the classification depend more on the owner's primary use of the land? I'm also wondering about timing - if we're going to do this transfer anyway, would it make sense to do it at the beginning of a tax year to avoid any mid-year complications with property tax assessments?
This thread has been incredibly helpful for understanding the tax implications! I'm in a somewhat similar situation and wanted to share something that might benefit others here. I recently discovered that there are some nuances with state tax treatment that can significantly impact your overall tax bill, especially if you're in a high-tax state. While the federal calculations discussed here are spot-on, many states don't give preferential treatment to capital gains - they tax them as ordinary income at your marginal state tax rate. For example, if you're in California, New York, or New Jersey, you could end up paying 6-13% state tax on those capital gains even if you pay 0% federal tax. This can completely change your tax planning strategy. Also, for those dealing with inherited assets like the original poster, don't forget about potential state inheritance or estate taxes that might apply depending on which state the deceased lived in and where you live now. Some states have much lower exemption thresholds than the federal estate tax. One last tip: if you're doing any charitable giving this year, consider donating some of those appreciated stocks directly instead of cash. You can deduct the full fair market value and avoid paying capital gains tax on the appreciation entirely. It's a win-win that can be especially powerful when you're in a year with significant gains like this!
This is such a great point about state taxes that I think gets overlooked too often! I'm actually in New Jersey and got hit with exactly this situation last year. Even though most of my capital gains qualified for the 0% federal rate, I still owed about 6.37% to the state on the full amount. The charitable giving strategy you mentioned is brilliant - I wish I had known about that option earlier. For anyone considering this, make sure the charity can actually accept stock donations and handle the paperwork properly. Some smaller organizations aren't set up for it, but most major charities and donor-advised funds make it pretty straightforward. One thing I'd add is to also consider the timing of when you actually transfer the stocks vs when the charity sells them, especially if you're close to year-end. The tax benefits apply in the year you make the donation, not necessarily when the charity sells the shares.
As someone who recently navigated a similar tax situation with inherited assets, I wanted to add a few practical tips that might help with implementation: First, make sure you have proper documentation for the stepped-up basis that others mentioned. You'll need either a formal appraisal from the date of death or brokerage statements showing values on that specific date. The IRS can be particular about this documentation, and having it organized upfront will save you headaches later. Second, if you're using tax software, double-check how it handles the "stacking" calculation. Some of the basic packages don't always correctly calculate the interaction between ordinary income and capital gains brackets. I ended up having to manually verify the calculations because my software initially got it wrong. Also consider the timing of when you actually realize these gains. If you haven't sold the stocks yet, you might want to think about spreading the sales across December and January to potentially optimize your tax situation across two years. Even a few days can make a difference if it helps you stay within the 0% capital gains bracket. Finally, don't forget about estimated tax payments if this creates a significant tax liability. The IRS expects quarterly payments if you'll owe more than $1,000, and there can be penalties for underpayment even if you get a refund when you file. Based on the calculations in this thread, you should be in good shape, but it's worth double-checking the safe harbor rules for your specific situation.
Pro tip for anyone who's cutting it close to deadline: Take a picture of yourself physically handing over your tax documents to the FedEx/UPS employee along with a photo of the receipt showing the date and time. I've had the IRS question my timely filing before, and having those photos saved me from a penalty.
This is kinda genius actually. Would a selfie work too if you're at one of those self-service kiosk things? My local FedEx is always packed on tax day.
Something that helped me understand the private delivery service rules better was realizing that the IRS treats these services differently than USPS because they don't have "postmarks" in the traditional sense. With USPS, the postmark date is what matters, but with FedEx/UPS, it's the actual date you hand over the package that counts as your filing date. I always make sure to drop off my tax documents during business hours so there's a clear timestamp on my receipt. If you use a drop box after hours, technically that might be considered the next business day, which could be problematic if you're cutting it close to the deadline. Also worth noting - if you're filing an extension (Form 4868), the same rules apply. The private delivery service has to be on the IRS approved list, and you need that receipt as proof of timely filing.
This is really helpful clarification about the difference between postmarks and actual handoff dates! I hadn't thought about the after-hours drop box issue - that's a great point about making sure you drop off during business hours to get a proper timestamp. Quick question though - do you know if there's any grace period if the deadline falls on a weekend? Like if April 15th is a Saturday, would dropping it off on Friday still count, or do you have to wait until Monday when the IRS offices are open?
QuantumQuest
I completely understand your stress - dealing with medical bills AND tax issues at the same time is overwhelming! š I went through something similar two years ago. Here are a few things that helped me: First, check your 3176C letter again - there should be a specific phone number for the examination unit (different from the main IRS number). It's usually in small print near the bottom. If you can't find it, the letter should have a "respond to" address - you can mail your documentation there with a cover letter. For your $22K in medical expenses, make sure you're only claiming the amount that exceeds 7.5% of your AGI. The IRS will definitely verify this calculation first. Also, since you mentioned ongoing medical care needs, you might qualify for hardship consideration. Document your current medical situation and financial need for the refund in your response letter. Don't panic about the timeline - as long as you respond within 30 days of the letter date with organized documentation, you should be fine. The process typically takes 4-8 weeks once they receive your response. Keep copies of everything you send and use certified mail! You've got this! Having all your documentation ready puts you way ahead of most people who get these letters.
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Chloe Robinson
ā¢This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the hardship consideration you mentioned - is that something you request formally or just include in your response letter? I'm dealing with ongoing cancer treatments and the financial strain is real. Also, when you say "examination unit phone number," should it be different from the main 1-800 number? Mine just has the general number and I keep getting transferred around. Did you eventually get through to someone who could actually help?
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Dmitry Smirnov
ā¢@Chloe Robinson For hardship consideration with ongoing cancer treatments, you ll'want to include a brief letter explaining your medical situation and financial need along with your documentation response. Don t'make it the main focus, but mention it clearly - something like Due "to ongoing cancer treatments, this refund is critical for continuing medical care. The" IRS does have provisions for expediting cases involving medical hardship. Regarding the phone number - yes, examination units often have direct numbers that bypass the main system. Check the very bottom of your 3176C letter or the back page. Sometimes it s'formatted as Questions "about this letter: XXX-XXX-XXXX rather" than the main 1-800 number. If you only see the general number, that examination unit might only handle correspondence by mail/fax. One tip that worked for me: when calling the main number, immediately press 0 to try to reach a human operator, then explain you have a 3176C letter and need to speak with the examination department specifically. Sometimes they can transfer you directly rather than making you navigate the automated system. Stay strong with your treatments - the tax stuff will get resolved! šŖ
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NightOwl42
I went through this exact situation 6 months ago with a 3176C letter for medical expenses! Here's what worked for me: First - don't panic about reaching an examiner by phone. The IRS actually prefers written responses for these correspondence examinations because it creates a clear paper trail. Look for a "Respond To" address on your letter - that's where you send everything. For your $22K in medical expenses, organize them like this: - Create a summary sheet with total amounts by category (doctor visits, prescriptions, hospital bills, etc.) - Make sure your total matches what you claimed on Schedule A exactly - Only include expenses that exceed 7.5% of your AGI (sounds like you're well over this threshold) - Include receipts, EOBs from insurance, and any payment records Since you mentioned urgent ongoing care, definitely mention this in a brief cover letter. Something like: "These medical expenses are for ongoing treatments that continue to require the refund for current care." The IRS does consider hardship situations. Mail everything certified with return receipt requested to the address on your letter. Include a cover letter referencing your letter number and SSN. Most people get approval within 6-8 weeks if documentation is complete. You've got this! Having everything organized already puts you way ahead. The IRS just wants to verify your expenses are legitimate medical costs - which they clearly are.
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