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I'm really confused by all this ERTC amendment stuff... My CPA told me the reduction should only be for the refundable portion, not the nonrefundable part. But now I'm reading conflicting advice here. Does anyone have an actual IRS reference that clarifies this?
Your CPA is incorrect. According to IRS Notice 2021-20, the wage expense deduction must be reduced by the FULL amount of the ERTC (both refundable and nonrefundable). Specifically, section III.L of the notice addresses this. The rule prevents a double tax benefit (getting both the credit AND the deduction for the same wages).
I went through this exact same situation with my S-Corp last year and can confirm what others have said - you need to reduce wage expenses by the FULL ERTC amount (both refundable and nonrefundable portions), excluding any interest received. The key thing to remember is that the ERTC is essentially the government reimbursing you for wages you paid, so you can't also deduct those same wages as a business expense. It would be double-dipping. For your $87k in 2020 and $112k in 2021 refunds, make sure you separate out any interest portion before calculating the wage expense reduction. The interest is taxable income but doesn't affect the wage deduction adjustment. One heads up - this will create a significant increase in your pass-through income, which means additional personal tax liability when you amend your 1040s. With amounts that large, you might want to consider making estimated payments to avoid underpayment penalties. The amendment process can take several months, so plan accordingly for the cash flow impact.
This is really helpful, thank you! I'm new to dealing with ERTC amendments and the double-dipping concept makes total sense now. Quick question - when you say "separate out any interest portion," how do you identify that on the refund documentation? My refund checks just show the total amounts, and I want to make sure I'm calculating the wage expense reduction correctly.
Good question! The interest portion should be detailed on the IRS Notice CP49 or similar notice that accompanied your refund. If you don't have that documentation, you can also call the IRS at their Business & Specialty Tax Line to get a breakdown of principal vs. interest amounts. Generally, if your ERTC refund came more than 45 days after filing, there's likely some interest included. The interest amount will be reported to you on Form 1099-INT for tax purposes, but it doesn't reduce your wage expense adjustment - only the actual credit amount does. For your amendments, use the full credit amount (excluding interest) to reduce your wage expenses on lines 7/8 of Form 1120S. The interest gets reported as "other income" on your business return but doesn't affect the wage deduction calculation.
My accountant always tells me to focus on the "ordinary and necessary" test for business expenses rather than just the timing. If this conference is ordinary and necessary for your business type, the IRS is less likely to question it regardless of when you deduct it. Just make sure you have good documentation showing how it relates to your business - things like the conference agenda, notes you took, business cards you collected, etc. This has saved me multiple times during reviews.
This is exactly the kind of timing question that trips up so many small business owners! The key thing to remember is that for most small businesses using cash accounting, you generally deduct expenses in the year you both pay for them AND receive the economic benefit. Since your conference is in September 2025 and you're not paying until then, that's clearly a 2025 deduction. Even if you had prepaid in 2024, the IRS could still argue the economic performance doesn't occur until you actually attend the conference. One thing I'd add to the great advice already given - consider keeping a simple spreadsheet of planned business expenses like this so you can do better tax planning for next year. Knowing you'll have that conference deduction in 2025 might influence other timing decisions you make with income and expenses. Also, don't forget that if you travel for the conference, those travel expenses (flights, hotels, 50% of meals) are also deductible business expenses for the same tax year as the conference itself.
Another option is to just estimate the Dec 31 value of your Traditional IRA. If you converted most/all of it, just put $0 or whatever small amount was left. If the actual 5498 shows a different amount when you get it in May, you can always file an amended return if the difference is significant. In my experience though, for most conversions, the difference won't materially affect your tax situation enough to warrant an amendment.
Isn't estimating risky though? What if the IRS notices a discrepancy between what you report and what the brokerage reports on the 5498?
The year-end IRA value on Form 5498 isn't actually used to calculate your tax liability - it's informational. The conversion amount on your 1099-R is what actually matters for tax purposes. The IRS primarily wants the December 31st value for future reference and to track contribution limits. Small discrepancies here won't trigger an audit or penalty as long as you've correctly reported the actual conversion amount from the 1099-R.
Pro tip: Call your brokerage and ask for the Dec 31 value over the phone. They can tell you even if the 5498 hasn't been issued yet. I did this with Vanguard last year for exactly the same situation and they gave me the info in 2 minutes!
Thx for this suggestion! I'll try calling again tomorrow morning. Does anyone know if there's a specific department I should ask for? Last time I got lost in the phone menu.
@ApolloJackson Try asking for "Retirement Services" or "IRA Department" when you call. Most brokerages have a dedicated team for retirement account questions. If you get stuck in the phone tree again, you can also try saying "IRA" or "retirement" when prompted, or sometimes just pressing "0" repeatedly will get you to a human operator who can transfer you to the right department.
Has anyone here tried just using a dedicated business vehicle vs trying to split personal/business miles? I'm thinking about just buying a separate truck just for my construction business to avoid all this logging headache.
I did exactly this for my plumbing business. Best decision ever. No more tracking every trip or trying to remember which miles were business vs personal. Tax filing is so much simpler. But make sure you ONLY use it for business - even one personal trip can complicate things. The downside is obviously having two vehicles (insurance, registration, etc). But the peace of mind at tax time is worth it to me. Plus you can put your business logo on it for some free advertising.
For tracking mileage with that much driving, I'd strongly recommend getting a GPS-based mileage app like MileIQ or TripLog. They automatically detect when you start and stop driving, so you just need to swipe to categorize each trip as business or personal. Way easier than manual logs when you're hitting 10+ stops per day. One tip I learned the hard way - start tracking from day one of your business operations, even before you officially launch. The IRS wants contemporaneous records, and trying to recreate months of mileage later is a nightmare. Also, since you're looking at such high mileage (50-100k annually), the standard mileage rate will almost certainly be your best bet. At current rates, that's potentially $33,500-$67,000 in deductions annually. Just remember you have to choose your method in the first year you use the vehicle for business - you can't switch from actual expenses to standard mileage later. Good luck with the new business! The mileage tracking becomes second nature after a few weeks.
Connor Byrne
One thing nobody mentioned yet - you might need to pay quarterly estimated taxes if you expect to owe more than $1,000 in taxes for the year. This is especially important for self-employment since you don't have an employer withholding taxes. Self-employment tax is about 15.3% on top of regular income tax, which catches a lot of first-timers by surprise. Google "1040-ES" for the forms you need.
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Chloe Anderson
Hey Giovanni! I was in a similar situation when I started my photography side hustle in college. Here's what I wish someone had told me upfront: You're absolutely right to want to handle this yourself - it's actually pretty straightforward once you understand the basics. Even if you only make a few hundred dollars, you should report it. The good news is that as a student, you likely won't owe much in actual taxes, but you will need to pay self-employment tax (about 15.3%) on any profit over $400. Here's my simplified checklist for you: 1. Keep detailed records of ALL payments (screenshots work fine) 2. Track any business expenses (phone bill, props, etc.) 3. You'll file Schedule C with your regular tax return 4. If you make over $1,000 profit, start making quarterly payments to avoid penalties The payment app thing is confusing - they'll send you a 1099-K if you receive over $600, but you need to report everything regardless of whether you get that form. Pro tip: Open a separate bank account just for this income if possible. Makes tracking everything so much easier come tax time. You got this! šŖ
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Wesley Hallow
ā¢This is such great advice! The separate bank account tip is genius - I never thought about that but it would make everything so much cleaner to track. Quick question about the quarterly payments - if I'm just starting out and not sure how much I'll make this year, how do I even estimate what to pay? Like should I just guess based on my first few months? Also, when you say "profit over $400" for self-employment tax, does that mean I can subtract my expenses first before calculating that $400 threshold?
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