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Somewhat related question - I have a property that I've been trying to rent out, but haven't found tenants yet. It's been vacant all year while listed for rent. Should I still be filling out Schedule E for this year even though I've had zero rental days and zero income?
Yes, you absolutely should fill out Schedule E! If the property is being held for rental purposes (evidenced by your attempts to find tenants), all the expenses related to that property go on Schedule E, even with zero income. You'll show $0 for income, but you can still deduct legitimate expenses like property taxes, mortgage interest, insurance, maintenance, depreciation, and even marketing costs for trying to find tenants. This will likely create a paper loss that may be deductible against other income (subject to passive activity loss rules).
Your CPA is absolutely correct to include Schedule E even with zero rental days! This is actually a common misconception that trips up many rental property owners. The key point is that Schedule E is required when you hold a property for rental purposes, not just when you have actual rental income. Since your property was previously a rental and you owned it during part of 2024 (even though it was vacant and under contract), it maintained its rental property status for tax purposes. Here's what you can still report on Schedule E even with $0 rental income: - Property taxes paid during the ownership period - Mortgage interest (if any) - Insurance premiums - Maintenance and repairs - Property management fees - Depreciation for the months you owned it - Other ordinary and necessary expenses related to holding the property This creates a proper paper trail showing the property's transition from rental to sold status, and ensures you're capturing all legitimate deductions during your ownership period. It also sets up the proper classification for when the sale gets reported (likely on Form 4797 as business property rather than Schedule D as personal property). Don't ask your CPA to remove it - she's following the correct tax treatment for your situation!
This is such a helpful breakdown! I had no idea about the "held for rental purposes" distinction. So even though I had zero rental activity, the fact that it was previously a rental property means the IRS still considers it rental property until it's actually sold? That makes way more sense now. One follow-up question - you mentioned depreciation for the months I owned it. Should I still be taking depreciation even during those months when it was vacant and under contract? It feels weird to depreciate something that's not generating income.
Paper returns are absolutely the slowest option. Period. The IRS is still digging out from their pandemic backlog. Most paper returns are taking 8-12 weeks minimum before they even show up in the system. Certified mail only proves they received it - doesn't speed up processing at all. You should be checking your account transcript, not your return transcript. The account transcript will update first. Don't waste time calling until it's been at least 8 weeks.
I completely understand your frustration with the waiting game! As someone caring for a family member, the financial stress of waiting for a refund can be overwhelming. Based on what others have shared here, it sounds like you're looking at 6-10 weeks from delivery to seeing anything on your transcripts. The certified mail was definitely the right move - at least you have proof of delivery. In the meantime, try to check your account transcript (not return transcript) as that updates first. If you're in a real financial bind after 8 weeks, consider reaching out to the Taxpayer Advocate Service - they sometimes help with hardship cases involving caregivers. Hang in there! š
Quick question for everyone - my wife and I are in literally the exact same situation as OP, except my wife is only a part-time student taking 2 classes per semester. Does anyone know if the Form 8880 student restriction only applies to full-time students? Or are part-time students also disqualified?
The Form 8880 restriction specifically applies to full-time students. The IRS defines a full-time student as someone who's enrolled for the number of hours or courses that the school considers full-time for at least part of 5 calendar months during the year. If your wife is genuinely part-time by your school's definition (usually less than 12 credit hours per semester for undergraduate or less than 9 hours for graduate), and she maintains that part-time status throughout the year, then the student disqualification shouldn't apply to you. You should still be eligible for the Saver's Credit as long as you meet the other requirements like income limits.
This is such a helpful thread! I'm in a similar situation where my husband just started his master's program this fall. I was really hoping to claim the Form 8880 credit since I've been maxing out my Roth IRA contributions this year ($6,500). It's disappointing that the student rule is so strict - seems unfair that the working spouse gets penalized just because their partner is trying to better themselves through education. But I guess that's just how the tax code works sometimes. I'm definitely going to look into those education credits that others mentioned. We're probably right at the income threshold where my IRA contributions might help us qualify for a better education credit. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences and the helpful resources!
I totally feel your frustration about this rule! It does seem backwards that pursuing education would disqualify you from a retirement savings incentive. One thing that might help ease the sting - since you're maxing out your Roth IRA, you're still building tax-free growth for the future which is incredibly valuable long-term, even without the immediate credit. Also, with your husband starting his master's this fall, you'll definitely want to explore the American Opportunity Credit or Lifetime Learning Credit. The fact that you're contributing $6,500 to retirement will lower your AGI and potentially maximize those education credits. Sometimes the education credits end up being worth more than the Saver's Credit would have been anyway!
Anybody know if they work with amended returns?
they do but theres usually extra verification steps involved
I've been using Bank Mobile for about 3 years now and honestly it's been pretty reliable for my refunds. The key is to read the fine print - they do have fees but if you stick to their basic direct deposit option (not the instant transfer), it's usually free. Takes about the same time as any other bank, maybe 1-2 business days once the IRS releases it. Just avoid their "rapid refund" upsells - that's where they get you with the fees.
This is super helpful! I was definitely looking at their "rapid refund" option but sounds like that's where they hook you. Good to know the basic direct deposit is free - that's really all I need anyway. Thanks for sharing your experience! š
Giovanni Colombo
Dont forget that u still have to pay regular income tax on any IRA withdrawl even if u avoid the 10% penaltly! this hit me hard last yr when i did this for my kids college. my tax bill was WAY bigger than i expected!!
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Fatima Al-Qasimi
ā¢This is so important! I made this mistake too. My withdrawal pushed me into a higher tax bracket and I ended up with a huge tax bill in April. Definitely consider taking the money out across two calendar years if its a large amount.
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Carmen Ortiz
Great advice from everyone here! Just want to emphasize one more important point - make sure you understand the timing requirements. The IRA withdrawal needs to be made in the same tax year that you pay the qualified education expenses, OR in the year immediately before or after. So if you're paying tuition for the spring 2025 semester, you could make the withdrawal in 2024, 2025, or 2026. This timing flexibility can be really helpful for tax planning, especially if you want to spread the income tax impact across multiple years like Fatima mentioned. Also keep detailed records of all qualified expenses and your withdrawal - the IRS may ask for documentation if they review your return.
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Lucas Parker
ā¢This timing flexibility is really valuable information! I didn't realize you could make the withdrawal in the year before or after paying the expenses. That gives me some options for managing the tax impact. One question though - if I make the withdrawal in 2024 but don't actually pay the tuition until January 2025, do I report the penalty exception on my 2024 tax return or wait until 2025? I want to make sure I handle the paperwork correctly.
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