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Jessica Nolan

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I'm a little confused by some of the responses here. The $5,000 threshold is just about whether you get a 1099-K form, not whether you need to report the income. ALL income is taxable regardless of amount or whether you got a tax form. The only exception would be if you're selling personal items at a loss (like used clothes for less than you paid for them). That's not taxable because there's no profit. But if you're making and selling crafts on Etsy, that's income even if it's just $50. The honest answer to the question is "yes" you received payments through a third party network.

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Sophie Footman

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So basically I should just answer "yes" then? I'm just worried about having to fill out a bunch of complicated business forms for what's basically just a hobby that made less than $1000. Will that trigger a full Schedule C or something?

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Jessica Nolan

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Yes, you should answer "yes" since you did receive payments through Etsy. When you do that, TurboTax will walk you through some additional questions. Since your situation sounds more like a hobby than a business (based on the small amount and how you described it), you may be able to report it as "Other Income" on Schedule 1 rather than filing a full Schedule C. TurboTax should help determine this based on your answers to their follow-up questions about profit motive and how regularly you engage in this activity.

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Angelina Farar

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Is nobody going to mention the hobby loss rule? If this is truly a hobby (not a profit-seeking activity), you can report the income but you CANNOT deduct any expenses against it anymore. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act eliminated hobby expense deductions. If you're regularly trying to make money from your Etsy store, it might be better to treat it as a business so you can deduct your expenses. Otherwise you're paying tax on the full $875 with no deductions for your supplies.

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This is actually a really important point that's often overlooked. I learned this the hard way last year when I tried to deduct expenses for my occasional DJ gigs that I mostly do for fun.

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Sophie Footman

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Wait, so if I say it's a hobby, I have to pay taxes on the full $875 even though I spent like $400 on supplies? But if I call it a business I can deduct the supplies? This is getting complicated...

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Ava Williams

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Another simple trick - look at your 2020 tax return PDF file size. If it's bigger than usual, you probably itemized because Schedule A adds pages. My standard deduction returns are always like 10-15 pages but my itemized years are 20+ pages with all the extra forms. Just a quick way to check before digging into the actual numbers.

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Miguel Castro

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Oh that's actually really clever! I never thought about checking file size. Does this work even if you e-filed though? I don't think I printed out all the forms but maybe the PDF would still be different sizes?

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Ava Williams

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Yes, it works even if you e-filed! The PDF you get from your tax software after filing (usually called something like "2020_Tax_Return.pdf") will include all forms that were submitted with your return, even if you never printed them out. The file size difference comes from all the additional schedules and worksheets that get generated when you itemize. Besides Schedule A itself, there are often supporting documents for medical expenses, property taxes, mortgage interest, charitable contributions, etc. So the PDF generally ends up noticeably larger than years when you took the standard deduction.

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Zainab Ibrahim

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UGH im looking at my 2020 return right now and line 12 shows $24,800 but there's also something on line 8 that says "Schedule A" with a checkmark? Super confused!!! Why would it have schedule A but also the standard deduction amount??

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PixelWarrior

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That's unusual but I think I know what happened. The "Schedule A" checkmark on line 8 probably means you filled out Schedule A to compare your itemized deductions against the standard deduction. But since line 12 shows exactly $24,800 (the standard deduction amount for married filing jointly), you ultimately took the standard deduction because it was higher than your itemized amount would have been. TurboTax and other software often complete Schedule A as part of the process even if you end up taking the standard deduction, just to determine which gives you the better outcome.

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One thing that might help is understanding that the IRS penalty calculation system is largely automated and doesn't always account for nuances in how payments are processed through EFTPS. I've seen cases where the system flags deposits as late even when they were technically submitted on time. A few specific things to double-check: 1. When you schedule your EFTPS payment, make sure the "effective date" (when the money actually leaves your account) falls on or before the deposit deadline - not just when you initiate the transaction. 2. Be very careful about the "Tax Period" dropdown in EFTPS. For semi-weekly deposits, you need to select the specific quarter AND make sure you're not accidentally selecting "Annual" or "Monthly" instead of the quarterly option. 3. Bank holidays can throw off the timing. If your due date falls on a banking holiday, the deposit is due the next business day, but the EFTPS system doesn't always make this clear. I'd also suggest calling the Practitioner Priority Service line at 866-860-4259 if you or your tax preparer has a PTIN. It's a separate line with much shorter wait times than the general taxpayer line. Even if you're not a practitioner yourself, many enrolled agents will make this call on behalf of clients for a small fee. The good news is that first-time penalty abatement is usually granted automatically if you have a clean compliance history, so don't stress too much about the immediate financial impact while you figure this out.

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Amara Okonkwo

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This is exactly the kind of detailed breakdown I needed! Thank you so much for taking the time to explain all these nuances. The effective date vs. initiation date distinction is something I definitely wasn't paying attention to. I've been focusing on when I submit the payment rather than when it actually processes, which could easily explain why some deposits appear late in their system. And you're absolutely right about the Tax Period dropdown - I think I may have been inconsistent with my selections there. Sometimes rushing through the EFTPS interface when I'm busy with other business tasks. I had no idea about the Practitioner Priority Service line either. Even if I need to pay someone a small fee to make that call, it would be worth it to actually talk to someone who can look at my specific situation rather than getting generic advice. Really appreciate the reassurance about first-time penalty abatement too. The financial stress of these notices has been keeping me up at night, so knowing there's likely a path to resolution helps a lot. Going to implement all of these suggestions starting with my next deposit cycle.

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Oscar O'Neil

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I've been following this thread with great interest because I'm dealing with a very similar situation! Got bumped to semi-weekly deposits about 6 months ago and it's been a nightmare trying to get the timing right. One thing that really helped me was finding out that the IRS has a specific deposit schedule lookup tool on their website (Publication 15, Circular E) that shows exactly which days deposits are due based on your payday. But even more helpful was learning that you can call EFTPS customer service directly at 1-800-555-4477 - they can actually walk you through the correct way to enter your deposits and explain the tax period selections. The EFTPS rep I spoke with told me that a lot of the confusion comes from people thinking "semi-weekly" means twice a week, when it actually just means there are two possible due dates each week depending on when you pay wages. She also mentioned that if you're ever unsure about a deposit deadline, you can always make the deposit earlier - there's no penalty for depositing early, only for depositing late. Also wanted to echo what others said about keeping detailed records. I started taking screenshots of my EFTPS confirmations and noting exactly which tax period I selected for each deposit. When I did get a penalty notice, having those records made it much easier to prove the deposits were made correctly and get the penalties reversed. Hope this helps - you're definitely not alone in finding this system confusing!

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ShadowHunter

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I totally get that pre-opening anxiety! I've been there multiple times and that sick feeling when you see the IRS envelope in Informed Delivery is just awful. One thing that's helped me is remembering that March is peak processing season - they're churning through millions of returns and sending out tons of routine correspondence. Could literally be something as simple as "we received your return" or "your refund is processing." I actually started keeping a little log of IRS letters I've received over the years, and honestly about 85% turned out to be completely routine stuff that required zero action from me. The ones that did need responses were usually just requests for additional documentation that took maybe 15 minutes to handle. Try to get a good night's sleep tonight - tomorrow you'll have actual information instead of just anxiety-fueled speculation!

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Jayden Hill

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That's such a smart idea to keep a log of IRS letters! I never thought of doing that but it would definitely help with perspective when the next scary envelope shows up. 85% routine is actually way better odds than my anxiety brain usually assumes. I think I'm going to start doing the same thing - maybe even note what the envelope looked like vs what was actually inside. It's funny how our minds always jump to the worst case scenario when really the IRS is probably just doing boring administrative stuff most of the time. Thanks for sharing that approach!

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I feel you on this anxiety! That Informed Delivery preview is both a blessing and a curse - you get advance warning but then have to sit with the worry all day. I've gotten probably a dozen IRS letters over the years and only one was actually problematic (turned out to be a simple math error they caught). The rest were things like payment confirmations, return acknowledgments, or updates to my taxpayer info. Since you mentioned being extra careful this year after learning from the crypto situation, you're probably in really good shape. One thing that helps me is remembering that truly urgent IRS matters usually come certified mail or require signature - regular mail is typically routine stuff. Whatever it is, you'll handle it. The unknown is always scarier than the reality!

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Tate Jensen

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Has anyone used the "regular method" vs "simplified method" for calculating the home deduction for childcare? I'm watching 2 kids in my apartment and trying to figure out which one would give me a better deduction.

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Adaline Wong

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I've done both. The regular method usually gives a bigger deduction but requires more record keeping. You have to track all home expenses (mortgage/rent, utilities, insurance, repairs, etc.) and calculate the percentage used for business based on square footage and time used. The simplified method is just $5 per square foot up to 300 sq ft. Much easier but usually results in a smaller deduction, especially if you live in a high-cost area. For childcare specifically, the regular method tends to be better because you can deduct based on time-space percentage.

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Emma Wilson

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One thing to keep in mind is that you'll want to separate business and personal expenses very clearly. Since your wife is providing childcare in your family home, the IRS can be particular about what constitutes a legitimate business expense versus personal family expenses. For meals and snacks, you can only deduct the portions provided to the childcare child - not what your own kids eat during the same time. I recommend keeping a simple log of what you buy specifically for the childcare child versus family groceries. Also, don't forget that if your wife earns over $400 in self-employment income, she'll need to make quarterly estimated tax payments starting next year to avoid penalties. Since this is her first year, she won't owe penalties for 2024, but she should start planning for quarterly payments in 2025 if she continues providing childcare. The good news is that even though she has to pay self-employment tax (about 15.3% on the net profit), she's also earning Social Security and Medicare credits that will benefit her later in retirement. Many people don't realize that stay-at-home parents can build up their own Social Security benefits this way.

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