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I'm a software developer who switched from 1099 to LLC with S-Corp election last year. Here's what I've learned: 1. The tax savings are real but so are the costs. I save about $4,800/year in SE taxes but pay about $1,200 in additional expenses (payroll service, registered agent fee, additional tax prep fees). 2. The paperwork is a pain. Quarterly payroll filings, annual reports to the state, separate business bank account, more complex tax returns. 3. For me it was worth it financially, but the time cost is significant too. I spend about 5-6 hours per month on additional paperwork I didn't have as a 1099 contractor. 4. One unexpected benefit: clients take me more seriously as an LLC and I've been able to raise my rates by about 15%.

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Thanks for sharing this! Are you using any specific software to manage all the additional paperwork and requirements? I'm trying to figure out if I can handle most of it myself or if I need to budget for additional help.

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I use QuickBooks for the bookkeeping side and Gusto for payroll processing. Gusto handles the quarterly filings automatically which saves a ton of time. For the LLC paperwork, I just set calendar reminders for annual report deadlines and keep everything in a shared folder with my accountant. The first year was definitely a learning curve, but now it's mostly automated. I'd say if you're comfortable with basic business software, you can handle 80% of it yourself. The main thing is staying organized and not letting deadlines sneak up on you.

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Great discussion everyone! As someone who made the switch from 1099 to LLC with S-Corp election about 18 months ago, I can confirm most of what's been shared here is accurate. My net savings ended up being around $3,200 annually after all additional costs. One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned much - timing matters a lot. If you're going to make the switch, it's usually best to do it at the beginning of a tax year rather than mid-year. The pro-ration of salary vs distributions gets messy when you switch partway through. Also, don't underestimate the importance of keeping meticulous records once you go S-Corp. The IRS scrutinizes these entities more closely, especially around reasonable compensation. I keep a detailed log of my hours, responsibilities, and comparable salary data for my industry just in case. For what it's worth, at your $78K income level, you're right at the sweet spot where it starts making sense financially. Just make sure you factor in your state's requirements too - some states have additional fees or taxes for LLCs that can eat into the federal savings.

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Caleb Bell

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This is really helpful perspective! I'm curious about the record-keeping you mentioned - do you have a specific system or template you use for tracking the comparable salary data? I want to make sure I'm prepared if I go the S-Corp route, but I'm not sure what kind of documentation would actually hold up if questioned by the IRS.

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4 Has anyone used TurboTax or similar software for filing back taxes? Or do you need to go through a tax professional? I'm in a similar situation (missing 2019-2020) and trying to figure out the cheapest way to get caught up.

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12 I used FreeTaxUSA for my back taxes from 2018-2020. They charge like $15 per previous year return (way cheaper than TurboTax). It's pretty straightforward if you have your documents. The only catch is you have to print and mail previous year returns - you can't e-file them.

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KaiEsmeralda

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I'm in a very similar boat - didn't file 2018-2020 and just got caught up on recent years. One thing I learned that might help you: if your income was under the filing threshold for those years (around $12,200 for single filers in 2017-2019), you technically weren't required to file. But even if that's the case, filing can still be beneficial. Here's what I'd recommend: start by requesting your wage and income transcripts from the IRS for those years to see exactly what income was reported. This will help you determine if you actually owe anything or if you might be due refunds you didn't expect. For your financial aid situation, while FAFSA mainly looks at the prior-prior year, some schools do ask for additional tax information during verification. Having everything filed removes any potential roadblocks there. The peace of mind factor is huge too. I was constantly worried about getting a letter from the IRS, and filing those back years eliminated that stress completely. Even if your tax guy thinks it's unnecessary, it's your call - and honestly, a good tax professional should support getting you fully compliant rather than questioning it.

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Is forming an LLC legal if it hasn't generated any revenue yet?

I need to set up a bank account so I can create a business PayPal account to accept subscription payments for my service. My business model is similar to Netflix, offering monthly subscriptions for access to content. I know there are ways to have a business bank account without formally creating an LLC, but for personal reasons, I really need to establish the LLC before launching my service to the public. The thing is, I'm completely lost when it comes to business accounting and tax obligations. I don't have much money saved up, not even enough for a basic consultation with an accountant. My current plan is to form the LLC, launch my service, and then once I've earned around $1,000 (which I'm hoping is sufficient for an accounting consultation), I'll hire a professional to handle everything from that point forward. My main concern is that I have no guarantee I'll make even a single dollar in the first few months after launch. I'm optimistic, but realistic. I want to make sure I'm following all legal requirements for business formation and tax compliance. Would it be considered illegal to form an LLC without immediately hiring an accountant because the business hasn't generated any income yet? I imagine that would only become a problem if I were to make substantial money (like $10,000) and then wait until the following year to consult an accountant. I fully intend to hire an accountant once the business generates enough income to afford one. Can anyone give me a ballpark figure on what I might expect to pay for accounting services for a small subscription-based LLC? I want to launch with everything legally established, but I'd prefer to wait until there's actual revenue before investing in accounting services. Any advice from those with experience would be greatly appreciated.

Don't overthink this! I formed my LLC 2 years before I made a single dollar. Just keep your business and personal finances separate from day one (separate bank account is a must), track all expenses meticulously, and save receipts for everything. For accounting software, check out Wave - it's completely free for basic accounting and receipt tracking. You can connect your business bank account and it'll pull in all transactions automatically. When you start making money, I'd recommend getting professional help around the $5k revenue mark. Before that, most accountants will charge you more than they're saving you.

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ThunderBolt7

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Is Wave really completely free? What's the catch? I've been looking at QuickBooks but the monthly subscription feels steep when I'm not making money yet.

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Ella Cofer

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Wave is genuinely free for basic accounting features - they make money by offering paid services like payroll processing and payment processing for invoices. The core accounting software (expense tracking, basic reports, bank connections) is completely free with no limits. I've been using it for 18 months now and haven't paid a cent. The only "catch" is that their customer support is limited for free users, and some advanced features require upgrading. But for a new LLC just tracking expenses and basic income, it's perfect. Much better than paying $30/month for QuickBooks when you're not even making money yet.

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I'll add another perspective as someone who went through this exact situation with my SaaS startup. You're absolutely right to form the LLC before launching - it's completely legal and actually smart business planning. One thing I wish I'd known earlier: consider getting an EIN (Employer Identification Number) from the IRS as soon as you form your LLC, even before you have revenue. It's free, takes about 15 minutes online, and you'll need it to open your business bank account anyway. Having the EIN also means you won't have to use your SSN for business purposes, which adds another layer of personal protection. For your subscription model specifically, make sure you understand the difference between cash and accrual accounting methods. Since you'll likely be collecting monthly payments, this could affect when you report income for tax purposes. Most small businesses can use cash accounting (report income when received), but it's worth confirming with a professional once you start generating revenue. Also, don't forget to check if your city or county requires a business license for your type of service. This is separate from the LLC formation and varies widely by location and business type. Some areas require it before you start operating, even in the pre-revenue phase. You're taking the right approach by planning to bring in professional help once you have steady income. Just make sure you're documenting everything from day one - it'll save you money when you do hire that accountant!

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This thread has been incredibly informative! I'm a freelance graphic designer who regularly meets clients for coffee and lunch meetings, and I've been making some mistakes with my deductions. One thing I'm still unclear on: what about meals during networking events? I attend monthly chamber of commerce meetings that include lunch, and I often meet potential clients there. The lunch is included in the registration fee - should I be tracking that separately as a 50% deductible business meal, or is it part of the overall networking event cost? Also, for those using expense tracking apps or services, do you find they handle mixed situations well? Like when you take a client to lunch (50% deductible meal) but also give them promotional materials or small gifts during the meeting - I assume those would be tracked differently for tax purposes? Really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences here. It's so much more helpful than trying to decode IRS publications on my own!

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Great questions! For networking events where lunch is included in the registration fee, you generally can't separate out the meal portion for the 50% deduction - the entire fee is typically considered a business expense (100% deductible) rather than a meal expense. However, if you can clearly identify the meal portion on your receipt or registration breakdown, some accountants argue you could treat that portion under meal rules, but it gets complicated. For mixed situations like giving promotional materials during a client lunch, you're absolutely right to track them separately! The meal stays at 50% deductible, while promotional materials and small business gifts (under $25 per person per year) are usually 100% deductible as advertising/marketing expenses. Most good expense apps let you split transactions, but you'd need to manually categorize each portion correctly. The key is always documentation - if you're networking at that chamber lunch and actually discussing potential business with specific people, note those conversations in your records. It strengthens the business purpose of the expense!

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This has been such a helpful thread! I'm a small business owner who's been struggling with these exact distinctions. One area I'm still confused about is meals during business travel that involve entertainment components. For example, last month I took a potential client to dinner while I was traveling for business, and afterwards we went to a comedy show to continue our discussion. I know the dinner should be 50% deductible as a business meal, but what about the comedy show tickets? Since we did discuss business during the show (between acts), would any portion of that be deductible, or is it completely non-deductible as entertainment? Also, I've been tracking my expenses manually in spreadsheets, but after reading about the tools mentioned here, I'm wondering if I should upgrade my system. Has anyone compared different expense tracking solutions specifically for handling these meal vs entertainment distinctions? I want to make sure I'm not leaving money on the table or setting myself up for audit issues. The documentation tips shared here are gold - I definitely need to get better at recording the business purpose and attendees for each expense. Thank you all for sharing your experiences!

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Nia Johnson

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The comedy show tickets would be completely non-deductible as entertainment, even though you discussed business during the show. The IRS is pretty strict about this - once something falls into the entertainment category (shows, concerts, sporting events), the entire cost is non-deductible regardless of business discussions that occur. The dinner portion would remain 50% deductible as a business meal since that's where the primary business discussion likely took place. Just make sure to get separate receipts and document them as distinct expenses. For expense tracking, I'd definitely recommend upgrading from spreadsheets. The tools mentioned in this thread like taxr.ai seem promising for automatically categorizing these tricky situations. Even a basic app like QuickBooks Self-Employed can help flag potential issues before they become problems. The time you'll save during tax season and the reduced audit risk from proper categorization make it worth the investment. Your documentation habits are going to be crucial - I learned this the hard way during an audit last year. Record not just who attended and the business purpose, but also the specific topics discussed and any follow-up actions planned. It really strengthens your position if questioned later.

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One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is state residency vs. federal residency. You might be considered a resident alien for federal tax purposes but a nonresident for state tax purposes (or vice versa). Some states have completely different rules!

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This is so true! I was a resident alien federally but NY state considered me a nonresident. Made filing really confusing until I figured it out.

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Based on your detailed travel history, you'll likely be considered a resident alien for 2025 tax purposes under the Substantial Presence Test. Here's a quick calculation: **2025 days**: You've been here since January 1st (let's say ~90 days so far) **2024 days**: From your dates, approximately 348 days Ɨ 1/3 = 116 days **2023 days**: From your dates, approximately 335 days Ɨ 1/6 = 56 days Total: ~262 days, which exceeds the 183-day threshold. However, don't overlook the **closer connection exception** you mentioned. Since you maintain bank accounts and property in your home country, you might qualify. You'd need to file Form 8840 to claim this exception and prove that despite being physically present in the US, your tax home and closer connections remain with your home country. Key factors the IRS considers for closer connection: - Where your permanent home is located - Your family and social ties - Your business activities and professional affiliations - Where you vote and hold driver's licenses - Which country you designate as residence on official forms I'd strongly recommend consulting with a tax professional who specializes in international tax law, as this determination can significantly impact your tax obligations and filing requirements for 2025.

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