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Just to add another layer of complexity, if these patents were developed internally rather than purchased, the tax treatment would be totally different! R&D costs to develop patents can be either expensed immediately or amortized over 5 years for tax purposes (depending on an election), while for GAAP they're capitalized once technological feasibility is reached and then amortized over useful life.
Thanks for mentioning this! That makes me think I might have misunderstood my brother's situation. Is there a simple way to know if something falls under Section 197 vs being treated as an internally developed patent?
The key distinction is whether the patent was purchased (especially as part of acquiring a business) versus internally developed. Section 197 primarily applies to intangibles acquired when purchasing a business or a substantial part of one. If your brother's company developed the patent through its own R&D efforts, it wouldn't be a Section 197 intangible. The R&D costs would likely have been expensed as incurred for tax purposes. If they bought the patent from someone else, especially as part of buying their business, then the 15-year Section 197 amortization would apply for tax purposes.
My accounting professor always said "GAAP is for investors, tax is for the government" - they serve different purposes! GAAP wants to accurately reflect economic reality over the true useful life, while tax rules are designed for consistency, ease of administration, and sometimes to incentivize certain behaviors. That's why we end up with these differences.
I went through this exact same thing with Missouri last year! After weeks of "processing" status and no luck getting through on the phone, I discovered that Missouri DOR sometimes has issues with their automated systems not updating properly. What finally worked for me was filing a formal inquiry through their website - there's a "Contact Us" form specifically for refund issues that goes to a different department than the phone lines. I got a response within 3 business days explaining that my return had been flagged for a routine audit review (nothing wrong, just random selection) and they expedited it once I responded to their inquiry. Also, if you have direct deposit set up, double-check that your bank account info was entered correctly - a surprising number of delays are due to rejected deposits that bounce back to the state. Hope this helps and you get your refund soon!
This is super helpful! I didn't even know there was a separate contact form for refund issues. I've been trying to call for weeks with no luck. Going to try this approach right now - hopefully I get a response like you did. Thanks for sharing your experience!
I'm dealing with the exact same frustration with Missouri! Filed in late January, got my federal refund quickly, but Missouri is still showing "processing" with no timeline. It's ridiculous that we have to become detectives just to figure out what's happening with our own money. I've been checking the status online daily and it never changes. Reading through all these comments, it sounds like Missouri DOR is just chronically understaffed and slow. Going to try calling that 573-751-3505 number first thing tomorrow morning, and if that doesn't work I'll try the email route someone mentioned. It's frustrating that some people are having to pay for third-party services just to get basic information about their refunds. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - at least I know I'm not alone in this mess!
Has anyone actually done the math on the new W-4? I feel like ever since they redesigned it in 2020 and removed allowances, it's impossible to get it right. My wife and I are both high earners and no matter what we do, we either owe thousands or get thousands back.
The trick for two high earners is to use the Multiple Jobs Worksheet or the online IRS Withholding Estimator. My husband and I were in the same boat until we figured out we needed to put an additional specific dollar amount on line 4(c) for BOTH of our W-4s. If you're both in the higher tax brackets, the standard calculations don't work well.
The IRS Withholding Estimator at irs.gov/W4App is honestly your best bet here. I was in almost the exact same situation - new job, way too much being withheld, and completely confused by the W-4 form. What I learned is that the problem isn't necessarily with your W-4 setup, but with how your employer's payroll system is calculating withholding. Many payroll systems use annualized calculations that assume you've been earning that salary all year, even if you just started. The Withholding Estimator will ask for your actual pay stubs and calculate exactly what should go in each section of your W-4. In my case, I needed to put a specific dollar amount in Step 4(b) for deductions to reduce my withholding to the right level. Also, don't forget that you can submit a new W-4 anytime during the year if your situation changes. You're not stuck with whatever you filled out on your first day. I've submitted three different W-4s this year as I fine-tuned my withholding. The key is being proactive about it - every paycheck you wait is more money going to an interest-free loan to the government like you mentioned.
This is exactly what I needed to hear! I'm dealing with the same frustrating situation where my new employer is withholding way too much. The part about payroll systems using annualized calculations makes so much sense - I started mid-year but they're treating it like I've been earning this salary since January. I'm definitely going to try the IRS Withholding Estimator this weekend. It's reassuring to know I can submit updated W-4s throughout the year. I was worried I was stuck with whatever I filled out during onboarding when I honestly had no idea what I was doing. Thanks for mentioning the Step 4(b) approach too - I hadn't considered using the deductions section to reduce withholding. Every paycheck that goes by with this over-withholding feels like I'm just giving the government a bigger interest-free loan!
As someone who went through this process twice in the past two years, I can share that the 7-day mark is still well within the normal range. The IRS verification system operates on batch processing cycles, not real-time updates. Your verification likely processed correctly, but the transcript updates happen in scheduled waves. I found that checking daily at 5:30 AM actually increased my anxiety - the updates typically appear on Wednesday or Thursday mornings when they do their weekly batch processing. Since you're new to the US tax system, it's worth noting that this verification process is actually a security feature to protect taxpayers from identity theft. The wait is frustrating but normal. I'd suggest giving it until the 14-day mark before calling back, as that's when most cases resolve according to the IRS's own published timelines.
This is really helpful context, especially the part about batch processing cycles! I'm also new to the US and went through ID verification last month. You're absolutely right about the daily checking increasing anxiety - I was doing the same thing at 6 AM every morning and driving myself crazy. For what it's worth @StarSailor, my transcript finally updated on a Thursday morning exactly 11 days after my verification call, and I got my refund 5 days later. The waiting is definitely the hardest part when you're still getting familiar with how US government systems work. Hang in there!
I went through this exact same situation last year as a new US resident! The uncertainty is definitely nerve-wracking when you're still learning how the IRS system works. From my experience and what I've observed in this community, the 7-14 day window is accurate for most cases, but it can extend to 21 days during busy periods. What helped me manage the anxiety was understanding that the IRS has multiple verification queues - some for simple returns, others for complex ones. Since you mentioned needing the refund for credit history purposes, I assume your return is relatively straightforward, which typically processes faster. One tip that worked for me: instead of checking daily at 5:30 AM, try checking on Thursday or Friday mornings only, since that's when most weekly batch updates occur. The daily checking just added stress without providing useful information. Also, since you're new to the US tax system, it might be worth calling the IRS taxpayer assistance line (1-877-777-4778) around day 10-12 just to confirm your verification was properly recorded in their system. Sometimes there can be technical glitches that delay processing, and it's better to catch those early rather than wait the full 21 days. Hang in there - the process works, it's just frustratingly opaque about timing!
This is such valuable advice, especially for newcomers like myself! I'm currently on day 9 after my verification call and was getting really anxious checking every morning. Your point about the weekly batch processing makes so much sense - I'll switch to checking only on Thursday/Friday mornings instead of daily. @EmmaAnderson The tip about calling around day 10-12 to confirm the verification was recorded is brilliant. I hadn't thought about the possibility of technical glitches, and you're right that it's better to catch those early rather than wait the full three weeks. It's reassuring to hear from other new residents who've been through this process successfully. The lack of transparency in timing is definitely one of the more stressful aspects of navigating the US tax system for the first time. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Liam Fitzgerald
Make sure you also understand the exact terms of what happens if the company goes under or gets acquired during your service period! I had a "forgivable loan" for my MBA that turned into a NIGHTMARE when my company was acquired and the new parent company didn't honor the original forgiveness terms. I ended up with both a huge tax bill AND had to repay part of the loan.
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GalacticGuru
ā¢That sounds terrible! Did you have any legal recourse? Was there anything in the contract that could have protected you?
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Isabel Vega
Another important consideration is to get clarity on how the company handles tax withholdings during the forgiveness period. Some employers will "gross up" the forgiven amount to cover your tax liability (essentially giving you extra money to pay the taxes), while others leave you responsible for the full tax bill on your regular salary. For example, if $36k of your loan is forgiven in year one of employment, that's $36k of additional taxable income. Depending on your tax bracket, you might owe $8k-12k in taxes on that forgiven amount, but your regular paycheck won't have had those taxes withheld. This can create a nasty surprise at tax time or require you to make quarterly estimated payments. I'd strongly recommend asking your employer about their tax withholding policy for loan forgiveness before you sign. If they don't gross up or handle withholdings, make sure you're setting aside money throughout the year to cover the tax liability.
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