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Has anyone considered whether your mom could be classified as an independent contractor vs an employee? If she's only playing at events organized by one company, and they direct when and where she performs, she might actually qualify as an employee. In that case, the wedding coordinator should be paying half of her FICA taxes. The IRS has a 20-factor test to determine proper classification. Might be worth looking into if this is ongoing work. The coordinator can't just give someone a 1099 to avoid payroll taxes if the relationship is really employer-employee.

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Zara Malik

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That's really interesting - I hadn't even considered that possibility. She does only work through this one coordinator who tells her exactly when to show up, what to wear, and even provides a specific set list for each event. The coordinator also handles all client interactions and payments. Would those factors suggest she should be an employee?

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Those factors definitely suggest she might be misclassified! When the business controls the when, where, and how of the work, that strongly indicates an employment relationship rather than independent contractor status. Other indicators include if they provide equipment (though you mentioned venues have the pianos), if she can't work for competitors, and if she's economically dependent on this one business. If misclassified, filing Form SS-8 with the IRS would request a determination of worker status. She could also file Form 8919 to report her share of uncollected Social Security and Medicare taxes. This would potentially reduce her tax burden since she'd only be responsible for the employee portion (7.65%) rather than the full self-employment tax (15.3%).

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Carmen Ruiz

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Guys I'm in a similar situation but with writing gigs. If I made around $5k last year from freelance work, do I HAVE to file Schedule SE? Can't I just pay the income tax and skip the self-employment part? The extra 15% is killing me financially.

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Carmen Ruiz

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Thanks for the honest answer. Guess I just needed someone to confirm I can't avoid it. I'll look into those deductions for sure. Do you know if the SE tax is calculated before or after regular income tax? Just trying to understand the full picture of what I'm paying.

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GalaxyGazer

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Self-employment tax is calculated separately from your regular income tax, but they interact in an interesting way. Here's the order: 1. First, calculate your net self-employment earnings (Schedule C profit) 2. Calculate SE tax on that amount (Schedule SE) 3. You get to deduct half of your SE tax as an "above the line" deduction on Form 1040, which reduces your adjusted gross income 4. Then your regular income tax is calculated on the reduced AGI So while you can't avoid the SE tax, at least half of it becomes deductible against your regular income tax. For your $5k in earnings, you'd pay about $706 in SE tax, but then get to deduct $353 of that when calculating your regular income tax. It's not a huge relief, but every bit helps! Also make sure you're tracking mileage if you drive anywhere for work - that standard mileage deduction can really add up for freelancers.

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Carmen Diaz

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So I went through this exact situation working at a nail salon! My boss was paying us half in cash and insisting we didn't need to report it. When tax time came, I was freaking out. Here's what I did: 1. Started keeping my own records of EVERYTHING I earned 2. Reported my full income on my tax return (both check and cash) 3. When my W-2 only showed half my actual income, I filed Form 4852 (substitute W-2) 4. I also filed Form 8919 for the unreported wages I ended up owing more taxes than I expected that year (since no tax was withheld from the cash portion), but I avoided potential penalties for underreporting. Also, the IRS didn't come after me - they were more interested in the employer.

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StarSeeker

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This is so helpful, thank you! Did you stay at that job or did you end up leaving? I'm wondering if I should just start looking for a new place to work that doesn't have these issues.

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Carmen Diaz

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I ended up leaving about three months after tax season. The relationship with my boss got uncomfortable after I insisted on reporting all my income. He never directly confronted me, but the schedule suddenly changed and my hours got cut. I definitely recommend starting to look for other positions. Places that handle payroll properly are out there! Even if you decide to stay for now, having options ready will give you more confidence in handling this situation. And remember - protecting your own tax compliance is ALWAYS worth it compared to potential penalties down the road.

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Emma Wilson

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I'm dealing with something very similar at my current job! My employer has been paying part of my wages "under the table" and I've been so stressed about what to do. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly helpful. I think the key takeaway is that we need to protect ourselves first - report ALL income regardless of what our employers do. It sounds scary, but it's way better than potentially facing penalties later for underreporting. @StarSeeker - I'd definitely recommend starting your job search now while you figure out the tax situation. Even if you don't leave immediately, having other options will make you feel more secure about doing the right thing tax-wise. And honestly, any employer who tries to convince you not to talk to tax professionals is throwing up major red flags. Keep detailed records of everything, and don't let your boss intimidate you out of protecting your own financial future. You've got this!

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anyone know if this is the same for federal returns?

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Khalil Urso

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nah feds usually update faster, its just state systems that be laggin

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Had the exact same thing happen with my MD refund last week! Called and they said it was approved but the online portal didn't update for another 2 days. Got my direct deposit exactly when they originally estimated though, so don't worry too much. The backend systems move faster than what we can see on our end.

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Daryl Bright

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The IRS has a dependency assistant tool on their website that can help you figure this out: https://www.irs.gov/help/ita/whom-may-i-claim-as-a-dependent

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Sienna Gomez

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I tried using that tool and it kept crashing halfway through. Classic IRS šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø

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That tool is so confusing. It asked me questions I didn't understand and then gave me a result that contradicted what a tax pro told me.

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Based on what you've described, your brother should be able to claim you as a qualifying relative dependent. Since you have no income, lived with him all of 2023, and he provides all your support, you meet all the requirements. The key tests are: 1) Your gross income under $4,400 (you have $0), 2) He provides more than half your support (sounds like 100%), 3) You lived together all year (check), and 4) You're not filing jointly with a spouse. This would give him a $500 tax credit for other dependents. Just make sure if you do file a return for any reason, you check the box indicating someone can claim you as a dependent. Hope your health improves soon!

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One thing nobody's mentioned - the used EV has to cost less than $25,000 to qualify for the credit. And it has to be at least 2 years old. Also if your mom has already claimed an EV credit in the past 3 years, she can't get another one. The dealer should verify all this before processing.

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Also make sure the dealer is registered with the IRS through the IRS Energy Credits Online Portal. Many dealers aren't set up yet for the transfer credit. I tried to get the credit at a small used car lot last month and they had no idea how to process it!

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Great thread! I'm a tax preparer and see this situation frequently. One additional consideration - make sure your mom understands she'll need to report this transaction on her tax return even though she's getting the credit at point of sale. The dealer will issue her a Form 1099 showing the credit amount, and she'll need to include this when filing. Also, keep detailed records of the joint ownership arrangement, insurance policies showing her as a driver, and any documentation about shared vehicle use. The IRS has been conducting more audits on EV credits lately, especially for joint ownership situations. Having a paper trail that shows legitimate shared ownership and use will protect both of you if questions arise later. The income requirements are based on modified adjusted gross income, so make sure you're calculating that correctly - it's not just the income shown on the tax return but includes some normally excluded items.

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