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Has anyone dealt with state taxes on foreign life insurance payouts? I know federal tax treatment makes these payments non-taxable, but some states have different rules. I received a payout from Japan last year and my state (California) wanted me to report it even though it wasn't taxable federally.

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You raise an important point. While life insurance proceeds are generally exempt from federal income tax, state tax treatment can vary. Most states follow the federal treatment, but there are exceptions. For example, California generally follows federal rules for income tax purposes, so life insurance proceeds should be non-taxable there too. However, some states might have inheritance taxes that could apply depending on your relationship to the deceased.

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I went through a very similar situation with a life insurance payout from Ireland about 6 months ago. The W-8BEN form was confusing at first, but here's what I learned: For your situation, you'll mainly need to complete Part I (personal information) and Part II (claim of tax treaty benefits). On line 9, you'll want to claim the benefit under Article 17 of the US-UK tax treaty, which covers life insurance proceeds. Write something like "Article 17 - Life insurance proceeds exempt from withholding tax." One thing that caught me off guard was that even though the payout isn't taxable income in the US, you still need to report it on Form 3520 if the total foreign gifts/inheritances you receive in a year exceed $100,000. Your $67,000 payout alone won't trigger this requirement, but keep it in mind if you receive other foreign inheritances. The insurance company should process your payment without UK tax withholding once they receive the properly completed W-8BEN. Mine took about 2 weeks to process after submission. Best of luck with everything, and sorry for your loss.

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Ravi Patel

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This is extremely helpful information about the Article 17 reference for the treaty benefits section! I've been staring at that blank line 9 for days not knowing what to write. The specific language you suggested makes perfect sense for a life insurance situation. I didn't know about Form 3520 either - that's good to keep in mind for the future. At $67k I'm under the threshold, but it's reassuring to know about these requirements ahead of time. Two weeks for processing sounds reasonable given everything I've been through so far. Thank you so much for sharing your experience, and I'm sorry for your loss as well. It's comforting to know others have navigated this successfully.

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Has anyone considered that you could possibly do both home office deduction AND rent part of it? Like if part of the shed is used for storage and part for actual embroidery work? Or is that getting too complicated and asking for an audit?

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Nia Harris

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Definitely don't try to do both! That's a huge red flag and could trigger an audit. You have to pick one method. Trying to claim both would be double-dipping on the same space, which is a big no-no with the IRS.

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Donna Cline

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One important consideration that hasn't been mentioned is that if you go the rental route, you'll need to be very careful about fair market value pricing. The IRS scrutinizes related-party rentals closely, so you can't just charge yourself whatever rent you want - it needs to be what you'd realistically pay to rent a similar 250 sq ft business space in your area. Also, keep detailed records of ALL the improvements you've made (mini-split, lighting, electrical work) because those can be depreciated regardless of which method you choose. For your $12,000 in equipment, that gets depreciated separately as business assets anyway, not as part of the building deduction. Given that you're already set up as a sole proprietor filing Schedule C, I'd lean toward the home office deduction route. It's cleaner paperwork-wise and you won't have to deal with rental income reporting. Just make sure you're measuring your shed square footage accurately and keeping good documentation of your exclusive business use.

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This is really helpful advice about the fair market value requirement! I hadn't thought about that aspect. Do you know if there are any specific resources for determining what fair market rent should be for a small commercial space like this? I'm wondering if I should look at storage unit prices, small office rentals, or something else entirely as a comparison point. Also, when you mention keeping detailed records of the improvements - should those include things like permits if I needed them for the electrical work? I'm trying to make sure I have everything documented properly from the start.

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Nia Thompson

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Has anyone considered solar panels with battery backup instead of a generator? We installed a system last year and there are way better tax benefits - 30% federal tax CREDIT (not just a deduction) plus possible state incentives. And then you get lower electric bills forever after.

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We looked into that but for our situation in the Northeast with frequent winter power outages, the battery capacity wasn't enough for our needs. We'd need like 3-4 Powerwalls to get through a multi-day outage in winter when solar generation is minimal. Cost was prohibitive compared to a generator. But definitely a great option in sunnier climates!

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Nia Thompson

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That makes sense - location definitely matters for solar viability! For what it's worth, we added a smaller backup generator to supplement our solar + battery system for those extended outages. We sized the battery just for essential circuits (internet, office equipment, fridge) and use the generator only when batteries get low. This hybrid approach still qualified for the tax credits on the solar portion while giving us the extended backup capability.

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Amina Diallo

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Great discussion here! I'm a CPA and wanted to add some clarification on a few points that came up. First, for the original question about the $12,000 whole house generator - you're on the right track thinking about business use percentage, but be careful about the "exclusive use" requirement. The IRS requires that business deductions for home expenses relate to spaces used EXCLUSIVELY for business. A whole house generator benefits your entire home, so you'd need to calculate the deduction based strictly on the square footage of spaces used only for business. Also, don't forget about depreciation! A generator would be considered business equipment with a useful life of several years, so you can't deduct the full cost in year one. You'd typically depreciate it over 5-7 years using MACRS. One more thing - make sure you're documenting the business necessity. Keep records of how power outages specifically impact your business income, like the $2,500 loss you mentioned. This helps justify the expense as ordinary and necessary for your business operations. The solar + battery suggestions are interesting too - just remember that residential solar credits are separate from business deductions, so you'd need to allocate costs appropriately if the system serves both personal and business use.

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This is super helpful, thank you! Quick follow-up question on the depreciation - would it be better to take the Section 179 deduction to expense the full business portion in year one, or stick with the 5-7 year MACRS depreciation? Our business had a good year and we're looking at ways to reduce this year's tax liability. Also, for documenting business necessity, would screenshots of lost client emails during the outage or invoices we couldn't send be sufficient evidence?

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Tax Implications When Closing a Business with Section 179 Vehicles and Equipment

I've been consulting with my tax guy about this situation but want to make sure I'm getting the right advice before I make any moves. It's important enough that I'm considering hiring another CPA for a second opinion, but figured I'd check here first before spending more money. I run a sole proprietorship - everything's just in my personal name. Over the years, I've accumulated dozons of pieces of equipment - dozers, backhoes, dump trailers, work trucks, etc. - all 100% used for business purposes. I've taken Section 179 deductions on everything when I put them into service. I'm planning to retire in about 4-5 years and want to keep a good portion of this equipment for my personal use on a small farm I plan to purchase. I'm not selling the business, just winding it down. My understanding is that when I take a Section 179 deduction, the cost basis goes to zero. So if I bought a backhoe for $95k and took the full 179 deduction that year (my business profit was well above that amount), I got the tax break. I know that if I sold that backhoe later for $60k, I'd pay ordinary income tax on the full $60k. But here's my question: What if I just keep the equipment? I'm closing the business but not selling anything. My accountant tells me since everything is already in my name (sole prop), I don't have to "buy" it from myself, and if I'm not selling to anyone else, there's no taxable event. Since I don't have to transfer titles from a business entity to my personal name (except for the trucks and trailers which have titles), there's nothing that triggers a tax. Does this sound right? Or am I missing something that could come back to haunt me later?

Omar Zaki

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One thing that's important - if you live in a state that has different Section 179 limits than federal (like we do in Minnesota), make sure you understand how the state will treat the business-to-personal conversion too! When I closed my construction business, the feds didn't require recapture for equipment held long enough, but my state had different rules and I got hit with an unexpected state tax bill. Some states follow federal treatment but others have their own quirky rules.

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Good point! Here in California, we have to deal with the Franchise Tax Board rules which aren't always in sync with IRS rules. Plus we have to file annual business personal property statements with the county assessor for business equipment worth over $100k. When converting to personal use, you need to notify them too.

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Emma Wilson

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This is exactly the kind of situation where getting multiple professional opinions is worth it. Your accountant's advice sounds correct for the basic federal tax treatment, but there are several layers to consider that could affect your specific situation. Since you're in a sole proprietorship, you're right that there's no entity transfer - the equipment is already legally yours. The key issues to watch for are: 1) Making sure you've held everything past the Section 179 recapture period (usually 5 years for most equipment), 2) Properly documenting the conversion date for each piece of equipment, and 3) Understanding any state-specific requirements that might differ from federal treatment. I'd strongly recommend creating a detailed spreadsheet showing each piece of equipment, the original Section 179 deduction date, and when the recapture period expires. This will help you plan the timing of your business closure and conversion to personal use. Also consider getting that second CPA opinion you mentioned - especially one who specializes in business transitions. The stakes are high enough with dozens of pieces of equipment that having absolute clarity is worth the extra cost.

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Nolan Carter

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This is really solid advice about getting multiple professional opinions. I'm curious though - when you're creating that spreadsheet to track recapture periods, do you base the start date on when you purchased the equipment or when you actually filed the tax return claiming the Section 179 deduction? Also, for someone like me who's new to understanding these rules, is there a good resource to look up the specific depreciation class life for different types of equipment? I'm seeing 5 years mentioned for most things, but I want to make sure I'm not missing any exceptions for specialized equipment.

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Double check that you entered both account numbers correctly on your tax form. I had this exact problem last year and turned out I mistyped one digit in my second account number. The money got sent back to the IRS and then I had to wait for a paper check which took almost 2 months to get to me. Check your Form 8888 if you have a copy of your return!

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Omar Fawzi

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This happened to my brother too! He transposed two numbers and his second portion of his refund never arrived. Had to wait forever for the IRS to figure it out and issue a check.

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This is really common with split refunds! I've been splitting mine for the past 3 years and there's almost always a delay between the two deposits. The IRS processes them as separate transactions, so they don't hit your accounts at the same time. Since your transcript shows the full refund was issued, that's the important part - it means the IRS has sent both payments. The second one is probably just working its way through the banking system. Capital One can sometimes be slower than other banks to post ACH deposits. I'd give it until early next week before worrying. If it doesn't show up by Wednesday, call Capital One first to see if they have any pending deposits. They can usually see incoming transfers before they actually post to your account. If they don't see anything, then it would be worth calling the IRS to make sure there wasn't an issue with the account info. Don't stress too much - in my experience, the second deposit always shows up eventually, just not when you expect it to!

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