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Thanks for all the detailed advice in this thread! I'm dealing with a similar situation where my client filed their 2553 about 6 weeks after their state registration date. Reading through these responses, it sounds like the corrected Form 2553 approach is definitely the way to go. One follow-up question - has anyone had experience with how strict the IRS is about the timing of when you submit the correction? My client's situation happened in early 2024, so we're still well within the same tax year, but I'm wondering if there's an optimal window for filing the correction to avoid any potential scrutiny. Also, I'm curious about the processing times people have experienced recently. The 8-week timeframe mentioned earlier sounds reasonable, but I've heard IRS processing has been unpredictable lately. Any recent experiences would be helpful for setting client expectations!
From my recent experience, timing-wise you're in a great position since you're still in the same tax year and catching this early. The IRS tends to be much more accommodating when corrections are filed before any tax returns are due or filed. I'd recommend getting the corrected form submitted sooner rather than later though - don't wait until the end of the tax year. As for processing times, I just had a corrected 2553 approved last month and it took about 10 weeks from submission to receiving the acceptance letter. That was using certified mail to the Cincinnati processing center. The key was having all documentation organized exactly as they wanted it - no back-and-forth requests for additional information. One tip: if you're concerned about timing, consider calling the IRS business entity line after you submit to confirm they received it and get a rough timeline. The wait times are brutal, but having that confirmation can give you and your client peace of mind.
This is exactly the kind of situation where having clear documentation from the start makes all the difference. I've handled several similar cases where clients filled out their own forms before bringing them to me, and the corrected 2553 approach has worked well every time. One thing I'd emphasize that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure to keep detailed records of your client's business activities from day one. Bank account opening dates, first transactions, employee records, etc. The IRS may ask for documentation showing the client genuinely intended to operate as an S-corp from the business start date, especially if there's any significant gap between state registration and the original 2553 filing. Also, consider having your client sign an affidavit stating that the incorrect effective date on the original form was an inadvertent error and that they intended S-corp treatment from inception. This can be helpful supporting documentation if the IRS has any questions about the timeline or intent.
This is excellent advice about documentation! I'm actually dealing with my first S-corp amendment case and hadn't thought about the affidavit approach. That makes a lot of sense to have something in writing from the client confirming their intent. Quick question about the supporting documentation - when you mention bank account opening dates and first transactions, are you suggesting to include copies of these with the corrected 2553 submission, or just keep them on file in case the IRS requests them later? I don't want to overwhelm them with paperwork, but I also want to be thorough. Also, do you have any specific language you typically use for that client affidavit, or is it pretty straightforward? I want to make sure I get the wording right the first time.
Just a quick tip - the Traditional IRA basis amount carries forward every year on Form 8606. Line 14 from one year becomes the starting point (Line 2) for the next year's form. Always keep copies of your previous 8606 forms or you'll have a nightmare trying to reconstruct your basis if the IRS ever questions it!
This is a great explanation of a really confusing topic! I had a similar recharacterization situation a few years ago and was totally lost until my CPA walked me through it. One thing I'd add for anyone reading this - make sure you understand the pro-rata rule if you have other Traditional IRAs with pre-tax money. The IRS doesn't let you pick and choose which dollars you convert first. If you have $10,000 in Traditional IRAs and $1,000 of that is basis, then any conversion will be 10% tax-free and 90% taxable, regardless of which account the money comes from. Also, keep detailed records of ALL your IRA transactions. I learned the hard way that even small discrepancies in your basis calculations can cause headaches years later when you're trying to figure out what happened.
This is such a helpful addition about the pro-rata rule! I'm actually dealing with something similar right now. I have about $15,000 in a rollover IRA from an old 401k (all pre-tax) and was thinking about doing a backdoor Roth conversion with new non-deductible contributions. From what you're saying, it sounds like I can't just convert the new after-tax money without also converting some of the pre-tax rollover money proportionally? That would definitely complicate my tax situation. Is there any way around this, like keeping the accounts completely separate or doing the conversion in a specific order? I wish they made these IRA rules more straightforward - seems like every strategy has some gotcha that isn't obvious until you're knee-deep in the tax implications!
One thing nobody's mentioned yet is that meal deduction rules can differ by business type! My wife has an LLC taxed as an S-Corp and we have completely different rules than when I had a single-member LLC. Also, the actual verbiage in your LLC operating agreement matters. If your wife's LLC operating agreement specifically mentions regular planning meetings as part of operations, you're in a much stronger position to defend those meal deductions. Might be worth having a tax attorney review your operating agreement to see if an amendment would help clarify and support these deductions going forward. The other question is how the LLC is taxed - is it a pass-through entity or does she file separate business returns? That can impact how these deductions are treated too.
Wait - I didn't know operating agreements could affect deductions! Our agreement is just a standard template we downloaded. Can you actually put specific language about business meals in there? Would that really make a difference to the IRS?
Based on my experience with similar LLC situations, your spouse business meal deductions are in a gray area that requires very careful documentation. The IRS doesn't have specific rules prohibiting spouse-to-spouse business meals, but they scrutinize them heavily because they could easily be viewed as personal expenses disguised as business deductions. The key factors that make these deductions defensible are: 1) The meals have a clear business purpose that wouldn't exist without the LLC, 2) You maintain detailed records beyond just receipts (specific topics discussed, decisions made, action items), 3) The frequency is reasonable (occasional planning sessions, not regular dinners), and 4) The expenses are proportional to your business income. Given that your wife's LLC income is only 3-4% of household earnings, these deductions might fly under the radar, but that doesn't make them automatically legitimate. I'd recommend starting to document these meals more thoroughly going forward - keep a business diary with dates, specific article topics discussed, planning decisions made, and concrete outcomes from each meeting. The fact that two different accountants haven't flagged this suggests it's not obviously wrong, but it's still worth getting proper documentation in place to protect yourself if questions ever arise.
This is really comprehensive advice! I'm curious about the documentation part - when you mention keeping a "business diary," do you mean a separate log just for these meals, or should it be integrated into regular business records? Also, how detailed do the notes need to be? Like, is "discussed Q2 article topics and decided on three new pieces" enough, or do you need to list the actual article titles and specific decisions made? I'm asking because I have a similar side consulting LLC and want to make sure I'm documenting correctly from the start rather than trying to fix things later.
I went through this exact same situation two years ago and can confirm that you're not out of luck! The IRS does allow late filing of Form 3115 for 475(f) elections under certain circumstances. The key is that you made a good faith effort by filing the election statement with your return. You'll want to file Form 3115 with your 2024 return and include a detailed reasonable cause statement explaining why you missed the original deadline. Reference Revenue Procedure 2022-14 for automatic consent procedures. Make sure to emphasize that you properly made the election statement and are correcting the oversight as soon as you discovered it. The good news is that if accepted, you won't need to amend prior returns - the Form 3115 handles the accounting method change adjustments through Section 481(a). I'd recommend getting professional help to ensure everything is done correctly, but you definitely still have options to salvage your MTM election.
This is really helpful to hear from someone who's actually been through this process! I'm curious about the Section 481(a) adjustment you mentioned - how complicated is that to calculate? I'm trying to figure out if this is something I can handle myself or if I really need to bite the bullet and hire a professional. My trading activity wasn't super complex last year, mostly just swing trading stocks, so I'm hoping the adjustment won't be too difficult to work out.
The Section 481(a) adjustment can actually be pretty straightforward if your trading wasn't too complex. Essentially, you're calculating the difference between what your taxable income would have been under your old accounting method versus the mark-to-market method for the year you're making the change. For swing trading stocks, you'd typically be looking at any unrealized gains/losses in your positions at year-end that would now be recognized under MTM treatment. If you had net unrealized losses, that could actually work in your favor as a negative adjustment (reducing your taxable income). The calculation gets more complex if you had positions that spanned multiple years or if you're switching from installment method reporting. Given that you're already dealing with a late Form 3115 filing, I'd honestly recommend getting professional help at least for this first year to make sure everything is calculated correctly. Once you see how it's done, future years become much more manageable. The cost of getting it wrong with the IRS could be much higher than the professional fees.
I went through a very similar situation last year and want to reassure you that it's not hopeless! I made my 475(f) election with my 2022 return but completely missed the Form 3115 requirement. I didn't discover this until I was preparing my 2023 taxes. I ended up filing Form 3115 with my 2023 return under the automatic consent procedures in Rev. Proc. 2022-14. The key was including a comprehensive reasonable cause statement that explained I had made the election in good faith but was unaware of the additional Form 3115 requirement. I emphasized that I was correcting the oversight immediately upon discovery. The IRS accepted my late filing without any issues. The Section 481(a) adjustment wasn't as scary as I thought it would be - it actually worked in my favor since I had some unrealized losses that reduced my taxable income for that year. My advice: don't panic, but do act quickly. File the Form 3115 with your 2024 return, include a detailed reasonable cause statement, and reference the appropriate revenue procedure. If your trading situation is complex, consider getting professional help, but many people have successfully resolved this exact issue. The IRS is generally reasonable when you show good faith effort to comply.
This is exactly the kind of reassurance I needed to hear! I've been losing sleep over this situation thinking I completely ruined my trader status eligibility. Your experience gives me hope that the IRS will be reasonable about this oversight. Quick question - when you filed your Form 3115 late, did you have to pay any penalties or interest? And roughly how long did it take to get confirmation that they accepted your filing? I'm trying to plan for what to expect when I submit mine with my 2024 return. Also, did you handle the Section 481(a) adjustment calculation yourself or did you get professional help with that part? I'm still on the fence about whether to DIY this or hire someone, especially since money is tight right now after some trading losses this year.
Charlee Coleman
Your CPA is definitely confusing two different deadlines here! This is actually a really common mix-up that I see all the time. The March 2026 date they mentioned is when you'll FILE your 2025 S corp tax return (Form 1120S), but to actually ELECT S corp status for 2025, you need to file Form 2553 by March 15, 2025. If you wait until March 2026 to make the election, it would only be effective starting in 2026 - meaning you'd completely lose out on a full year of S corp tax benefits. Depending on your income level, this could easily cost you thousands in unnecessary self-employment taxes. You're absolutely right to be concerned about the salary and distribution setup. You cannot legitimately take S corp distributions until after you've filed the election. The proper sequence is: 1) File Form 2553 by March 15, 2025, 2) Set up payroll for reasonable salary, 3) Then take distributions beyond salary. I'd strongly recommend printing out the Form 2553 instructions and having a clarifying conversation with your CPA immediately. Show them the "2 months and 15 days" rule that's clearly stated in the IRS instructions. This is way too important financially to leave any room for confusion - trust your instincts on this timeline!
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Maxwell St. Laurent
ā¢This is exactly the kind of clear explanation I needed! The way you broke down the difference between the ELECTION deadline (March 15, 2025) and the TAX FILING deadline (March 15, 2026) really helps clarify where the confusion is coming from. I'm definitely going to have that conversation with my CPA first thing next week. It's honestly pretty concerning that such a fundamental deadline could be mixed up, especially when the financial impact is so significant. The idea of losing an entire year of S corp benefits because of a timeline misunderstanding is really scary. Your point about not taking distributions before filing the election is also something I hadn't fully considered. I was so focused on the deadline confusion that I hadn't thought through the operational implications of jumping the gun on S corp treatment before the election is actually in place. Thanks for reinforcing that my instincts were right on this - sometimes you need that validation when you're questioning professional advice!
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Sean Doyle
I've been following this thread closely as someone who just went through the S corp election process myself, and I want to emphasize how critical it is to get this timeline right. Your CPA is absolutely mixing up the election deadline with the tax filing deadline - this is unfortunately a very common and costly mistake. The March 15, 2025 deadline is NON-NEGOTIABLE for S corp status to apply to your entire 2025 tax year. If you miss this date, you're stuck waiting until 2026, which could cost you thousands in additional self-employment taxes depending on your business income. Here's what I learned from my experience: Start preparing NOW, not in March. You'll need to set up payroll systems, register for state payroll taxes, and have a clear plan for reasonable salary determination before you can properly operate as an S corp. I started this process in October for a January election and was glad I gave myself that much time. Most importantly, do NOT take any distributions until after you've filed Form 2553. Operating like an S corp before the election is official can create serious compliance issues with the IRS. I'd recommend scheduling an urgent meeting with your CPA this week, bringing the Form 2553 instructions, and asking them to explain exactly which March 2026 deadline they're referring to. Once you clarify this confusion, you'll realize you need to act much sooner than they initially told you. Trust your gut on this one - the timeline they gave you doesn't make sense because it's wrong.
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