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Everyone is talking about income thresholds but nobody's mentioning TIME VALUE! I make $180k and use an accountant simply because my time is worth more than the $350 I pay him. Could I do it myself? Sure. Do I want to spend 5-6 hours researching tax law and entering data? Hell no. Consider what your hourly rate is at work and how many hours you'll spend on taxes. If an accountant costs less than (your hourly rate Ć hours spent), it's worth it regardless of income level or complexity.
This is such an underrated comment. I spent 8 hours doing my taxes last year with similar income to OP, and all to save maybe $400 on an accountant? That's a terrible hourly rate for my weekend time!
Great question! I'm in a similar boat - making $245k with straightforward W-2 income and have been wondering the same thing. After reading through these responses, it seems like the consensus is that income alone doesn't dictate whether you need an accountant. What really resonates with me is the time value argument someone mentioned. Even though my situation is "simple," I still end up spending a full weekend every year dealing with taxes, and frankly, I'd rather spend that time with family or on hobbies. For your upcoming marriage situation specifically, I think a one-time consultation makes total sense. Two high earners getting married can definitely trigger some tax planning opportunities or pitfalls that might not be obvious. Even if you go back to self-filing afterward, at least you'll know what to watch out for. The other thing I'd consider is that as your income grows, you're probably accumulating more assets (investment accounts, potentially real estate, etc.) that could complicate things down the road. Getting established with an accountant now might be worth it for the long-term relationship, even if you don't strictly "need" one yet.
doesn't anyone else think its crazy that we gotta jump through all these hoops for some tax savings?? i'm flipping houses in florida and just use an LLC, keep it simple. my buddy went S-corp and now he's spending like 5 hrs a month just on paperwork. not worth it imho unless ur making big $$$.
It's definitely a pain, but if you're saving $10k+ in taxes, that's worth a few hours of paperwork each month. I've been doing the S-Corp thing for 3 years and honestly it's not that bad once you get systems in place. Most of my buddies in real estate who are making six figures with their flips all go S-Corp.
Great discussion everyone! As someone who's been flipping properties for about 5 years now, I can confirm that the S-Corp election sweet spot is usually around $75k-100k+ in annual profit. Below that, the administrative burden often outweighs the tax savings. One thing I'd add is timing - if you're just starting out and not sure about your profit levels, you can always begin with a regular LLC and make the S-Corp election later when your business grows. Just remember the election deadline is March 15th (or within 75 days of forming your LLC if it's a new entity). Also, don't forget about state taxes! Some states don't recognize S-Corp elections or have additional fees/taxes for S-Corps. In my state (California), there's an additional $800 franchise tax for S-Corps regardless of income, which needs to be factored into your calculations. For those flipping 3-4 properties annually with $60k-75k profit per property like the OP, you're definitely in the range where S-Corp election could make sense, but I'd strongly recommend running the numbers with a tax professional first.
This is really helpful advice! I'm actually in a similar situation to the OP - just getting started with flipping and trying to figure out the best approach. The timing aspect you mentioned is something I hadn't really considered. It's reassuring to know that I can start with a regular LLC and switch later once I have a better sense of my profit levels. One question - when you say "run the numbers with a tax professional," are you talking about a full consultation or just a quick review? I'm trying to balance getting proper advice with keeping my startup costs reasonable while I'm still figuring out if this business model will work for me long-term.
I know this is different from the main QBID discussion, but has anyone had success with the 20% pass-through deduction for rental income when the properties are held in a trust? My family has 5 rental properties in our family trust and I'm trying to figure out if the same rules apply.
Yes, rental properties held in a trust can still qualify for QBID, but there are some important nuances. If it's a grantor trust (where the income is taxed to the grantor), the QBID eligibility follows the regular rules we've been discussing. For non-grantor trusts, the QBID can apply but gets more complicated because of how the deduction is calculated and potentially limited by the trust's taxable income. The same "trade or business" or "safe harbor" requirements would still need to be met, regardless of the trust structure.
The confusion around QBID for rental income is totally understandable - I went through the same thing when I first learned about the 250-hour requirement. What really helped me was realizing that the safe harbor is just ONE path to qualification, not the only path. Here's what I've learned from my own experience with 4 rental properties: even though I don't hit 250 hours, I was still able to claim QBID by demonstrating that my rental activities constitute a legitimate trade or business. The key is showing regular, continuous activity with a profit motive. Some activities that count toward "business-like" operations that many landlords forget to document: - Time spent analyzing local rental markets and adjusting rents - Researching and vetting potential tenants - Regular property inspections (even if brief) - Coordinating with contractors and getting repair quotes - Managing property finances and reviewing performance - Planning capital improvements or property upgrades I started keeping a simple log of these activities, and while I'm nowhere near 250 hours, having documentation of consistent business involvement gave me confidence to claim the deduction. The IRS has been pretty reasonable in recognizing that most small landlords operate legitimate businesses even without massive time commitments. My advice: start documenting everything now, even small tasks. It adds up and paints a picture of genuine business activity.
This is really helpful advice about documenting activities! I'm new to rental property investing and just bought my first duplex last month. I'm already worried about the QBID qualification since I'm planning to be pretty hands-on but definitely won't hit 250 hours with just one property. Your point about keeping a simple log is great - do you have any recommendations for apps or tools to track this kind of activity? I want to start good habits from the beginning rather than trying to recreate records later. Also, for things like "analyzing local rental markets," how detailed do those records need to be to satisfy the IRS if questioned?
I'm in almost the exact same situation and it's driving me absolutely crazy! Filed in late January, got accepted immediately, and have been stuck with that dreaded 570 code for about 3 weeks now. Processing date of 4/2/24 and expecting around $6,400 with EIC and CTC. The complete lack of communication from the IRS is honestly the most frustrating part. I've been checking my transcript every Friday morning like clockwork, hoping to see literally ANY change - maybe a 971 code, a 571, anything that would give me a clue about what's happening. But nope, just that same 570 code sitting there taunting me week after week. Reading through everyone's experiences here has been both comforting and terrifying. Comforting because it's clear this isn't just happening to me - there's obviously some kind of systematic review going on this year, especially for returns with EIC and CTC. But terrifying because some people are waiting 6-8 weeks with no resolution! The timeline that @Chloe Harris shared earlier gives me some hope that things will eventually move, even if it takes way longer than expected. I'm trying to be patient and wait until my processing date passes before attempting to call, but honestly those services like Claimyr and taxr.ai that people mentioned are looking more tempting each day. We really shouldn't have to pay extra just to get basic information about what's happening with our own money, but at this point I'm so desperate for answers that I might cave. Stay strong everyone - hopefully we'll all start seeing some movement soon! š¤
I'm right there with you! Just joined this community because I'm dealing with the exact same nightmare. Filed in early February, been stuck with a 570 code for about 2.5 weeks now with a processing date of 4/8/24. Expecting around $5,800 with EIC and CTC. This thread has been such a lifesaver - I was starting to think there was something seriously wrong with my return, but now I see this is happening to SO many people. The complete radio silence from the IRS while they hold onto thousands of our dollars is absolutely maddening. I've been doing the Friday morning transcript check ritual too and it's always the same disappointing story. That 570 code is like a bad joke at this point. Really hoping we all start seeing some movement soon because this anxiety is eating me alive! Thanks for sharing your experience - it helps to know we're all in this together, even though the situation totally sucks. š«
I'm dealing with the exact same frustrating situation! Filed in early February and have been stuck with a 570 code for about 3 weeks now, processing date of 4/12/24. Also expecting a large refund with EIC and CTC (around $6,200). This thread has been incredibly helpful - I was starting to panic thinking something was seriously wrong with my return, but seeing so many others going through the identical experience is oddly reassuring. It's clear the IRS is doing some kind of systematic review this year, especially for returns claiming these credits. The complete lack of communication is absolutely maddening though. I've been doing the Friday morning transcript check like everyone else, but it's just that same 570 code staring back at me every week. No 971, no letters, nothing. From all the timelines people have shared, it seems like 4-8 weeks is becoming the new normal, which is just insane. I'm trying to hold out until my processing date passes before calling, but honestly those services like taxr.ai and Claimyr that people mentioned are looking more tempting each day when the anxiety gets overwhelming. Stay strong everyone - we'll get through this bureaucratic nightmare eventually! At least we know we're not alone in this mess. š¤
Dylan Cooper
Don't forget about the Real Estate Professional status if you spend significant time managing your properties! If you qualify (750+ hours annually in real estate activities and more than half your working time), your real estate losses are no longer subject to the passive loss limitations. This means you could potentially deduct ALL of your losses against other income with no $25k limit or phase-out based on income. This has been a game-changer for my tax situation with my real estate LLC. Just make sure you keep EXTREMELY detailed time logs if you claim this status - the IRS scrutinizes these claims heavily.
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Chloe Robinson
Great question! I went through something very similar last year with my rental property LLC. One important thing to add to the excellent advice already given - make sure you're categorizing your $27,500 in repairs correctly between repairs vs. improvements. Regular repairs (like fixing plumbing issues) are fully deductible in the year incurred, but major improvements (like a new roof or HVAC system) typically need to be depreciated over time. The new roof and HVAC might be considered improvements that get depreciated over 27.5 years for residential rental property. However, there are some exceptions - if these were necessary to bring the property up to rentable condition when you first acquired it, they might be treated differently. Also, look into the "safe harbor" rules for small taxpayers - if your average annual gross receipts are $27 million or less (which applies to most individual investors), you might be able to deduct up to $10,000 per building in improvements. Since you're planning to use TurboTax, it should help guide you through these distinctions, but it's worth understanding the difference before you start. Consider keeping detailed records of what exactly was done and why - this documentation could be crucial if you're ever audited.
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Ruby Garcia
ā¢This is really helpful clarification on repairs vs improvements! I'm dealing with a similar situation and wasn't sure about the depreciation requirements. Quick question - if I had to replace the entire HVAC system because it was completely broken when I bought the property (not working at all), would that still be considered an improvement that needs to be depreciated, or could it be treated as a repair since it was necessary to make the property rentable in the first place? Also, where can I find more information about those "safe harbor" rules you mentioned? That $10,000 per building exception sounds like it could be really relevant for my situation.
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