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If you do decide to cash out, make sure you set aside the money for taxes immediately! I cashed out a similar amount last year and spent it all, then got destroyed at tax time because I didn't have money set aside to cover the bill. The 20% they withhold often isn't enough depending on your tax bracket.

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Oof, that's a great point I hadn't even considered. Do you remember roughly what percentage of the total amount you ended up owing after everything was said and done?

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I ended up owing about 32% total between federal taxes, state taxes, and the 10% penalty. The plan withheld 20%, but I still had to come up with the other 12% at tax time, which was around $1,300 for my $11K withdrawal. The exact amount will depend on your total income for the year and your state's tax rate. Since you mentioned you're working again, that additional income could push the 401k distribution into a higher tax bracket.

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Adaline Wong

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I completely understand the financial pressure you're facing right now - being laid off and struggling with bills is incredibly stressful. However, I'd strongly encourage you to explore every other option before cashing out your 401k. At your $11,000 balance, you're looking at roughly $1,100 in penalties (10%) plus federal and state taxes on the full amount. Depending on your tax bracket, you could end up with only $7,000-8,000 after everything is said and done. Have you looked into these alternatives yet? - Emergency assistance programs through your township (utility assistance, food banks, etc.) - Gig work or temporary side jobs for immediate cash flow - Negotiating payment plans with creditors - Local emergency financial assistance programs - Credit union emergency loans (often have better rates than credit cards) If you absolutely must access retirement funds, ask your plan administrator about hardship withdrawals - some qualify for penalty exemptions if they meet specific IRS criteria like preventing eviction or paying medical bills exceeding 7.5% of your income. The compound interest you'll lose over the next 20+ years by cashing out now will cost you tens of thousands in retirement. I know that feels abstract when bills are due today, but there might be other solutions that can get you through this rough patch without derailing your future financial security.

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This is really comprehensive advice. I especially appreciate you mentioning the township assistance programs - I hadn't thought to check if my new employer (the township) might have resources available for employees facing financial hardship. The math you laid out is sobering. Going from $11K to potentially only $7K-8K after penalties and taxes really puts it in perspective. I think I need to spend this weekend calling around to see what assistance programs might be available and maybe looking into some weekend gig work before I make any permanent decisions about my retirement savings. Has anyone had success with credit union emergency loans? I've never dealt with a credit union before but if the rates are better than credit cards it might be worth exploring.

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Based on my experience with private foundation compliance, I'd strongly recommend avoiding the personal guarantee approach altogether. The self-dealing rules under Section 4941 are intentionally broad, and the IRS tends to interpret them strictly when it comes to any financial arrangements between disqualified persons and private foundations. Even if a personal guarantee might technically be defensible, the risk isn't worth it. The excise taxes can be substantial (as Elijah mentioned), and unwinding these arrangements later is costly and time-consuming. For your building renovation project, consider these alternatives: 1. Use foundation assets as collateral instead of personal guarantees 2. Explore grants from other foundations (as Ana suggested) 3. Consider a capital campaign targeting non-disqualified donors 4. Break the project into phases to reduce the loan amount needed The key is finding financing that keeps disqualified persons completely out of the transaction chain. It might take longer or cost more upfront, but it's much safer from a compliance perspective. Have you looked into whether your foundation's current assets could serve as sufficient collateral for the loan?

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Paige Cantoni

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This is really helpful advice, Mateo. I'm new to managing our family foundation and honestly feeling a bit overwhelmed by all these compliance rules. Your point about keeping disqualified persons completely out of the transaction chain makes a lot of sense from a risk management perspective. I'm curious about your suggestion to use foundation assets as collateral - would that include investments like stocks and bonds, or are you thinking more about real estate and other tangible assets? Our foundation has a decent investment portfolio but not much in terms of physical assets that could serve as collateral. Also, has anyone here had experience with phased construction projects? I'm wondering if breaking our renovation into smaller pieces might actually help us qualify for different types of grants that have lower funding limits.

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Jessica Nolan

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I've been through a similar situation with our family foundation, and I want to emphasize how important it is to get this right from the start. The self-dealing rules are one area where the IRS doesn't give you much wiggle room. From what I've learned through our foundation's compliance journey, personal guarantees by disqualified persons create exactly the kind of indirect benefit arrangement that the IRS scrutinizes heavily. Even though you're trying to help the foundation, the guarantee provides something of value (your creditworthiness) that could be seen as an extension of credit. One approach that worked well for us was working with a community development financial institution (CDFI) that specializes in nonprofit lending. They often have more flexible collateral requirements and understand the unique constraints that private foundations face. Some CDFIs will accept investment portfolios as collateral without requiring personal guarantees from board members. Also, don't overlook the possibility of securing bridge financing from a bank while you pursue grant funding for portions of the project. This could reduce the total loan amount needed and make it easier to secure financing based solely on foundation assets. The peace of mind from knowing you're fully compliant is worth the extra effort to structure the financing properly. Good luck with your renovation project!

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This is excellent advice about working with CDFIs! I hadn't even heard of community development financial institutions before, but it sounds like they might be exactly what our foundation needs. Do you happen to remember which CDFI you worked with, or could you recommend any resources for finding ones that specialize in nonprofit lending? I'm also really intrigued by your bridge financing suggestion. That seems like a smart way to reduce the overall risk while still moving forward with the project timeline. Did you find that banks were more willing to work with foundations when it was clearly temporary financing with grant funding already in the pipeline? The compliance peace of mind factor you mentioned really resonates with me. I keep thinking about that story Elijah shared about the foundation that got hit with penalties - that's exactly the kind of nightmare scenario I want to avoid!

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Aisha Khan

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Been through this recently - definitely go with e-filing your 1040X! The difference is night and day. My paper amendment from 2021 took forever (like 7+ months) but when I e-filed one last year it was done in about 10 weeks. The IRS has really improved their electronic processing systems. Just make sure you have all your supporting docs ready and double-check everything before submitting since you can't easily correct an e-filed amendment like you can with regular returns.

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Jake Sinclair

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This is super helpful! Quick question - when you say "supporting docs ready", do you mean I need to attach them to the e-filed 1040X or just have them on hand in case the IRS asks? I'm amending for some missed deductions and want to make sure I do this right the first time 🀞

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Libby Hassan

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@Jake Sinclair For e-filed 1040X, you typically just need to have the supporting docs ready but don t'attach them unless specifically required by the form. The IRS might request them later if they need verification. However, if you re'claiming new deductions, make sure you have solid documentation receipts, (statements, etc. because) they re'more likely to scrutinize amendments that increase your refund. Better to be over-prepared than have to scramble later!

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Just went through this exact situation! E-filed my 1040X about 6 weeks ago and already got confirmation it's being processed. My friend who mailed hers in September is still waiting 😬 Definitely go electronic if your tax software supports it. One thing I learned - make sure to keep checking your transcript because the "Where's My Amended Return" tool on the IRS website is pretty much useless. Also heard good things about that taxr.ai tool others mentioned for tracking progress!

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I'm dealing with a very similar situation right now! Got a Notice 54 about 8 months ago with an unexpected refund of $1,800, and like you, I never received the follow-up explanation letter they promised. What I ended up doing was creating a dedicated savings account just for this money and haven't touched a penny of it. I figure if it was legitimate, great - if not, at least I have it ready to return when they figure out their mistake. The peace of mind is worth it. One thing that helped me was pulling my original tax return and trying to reverse-engineer where the extra money might have come from. In my case, I think they may have adjusted my education credits, but I'm still not 100% sure. Have you tried going line by line through your return to see what might have been recalculated? The IRS phone situation is absolutely maddening - I've probably spent 20+ hours on hold over the past few months with nothing to show for it. Really considering some of these third-party services people are mentioning just to get some answers!

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Nora Bennett

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That's really smart putting it in a dedicated savings account! I'm definitely going to do the same thing. The line-by-line comparison idea is brilliant too - I honestly haven't done that yet because the whole situation has been so stressful, but you're right that it might help explain where the extra money came from. Have you had any luck with those third-party services? I'm getting desperate enough to try anything at this point. The automated phone system feels designed to make you give up!

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I'm in almost the exact same boat! Got a Notice 54 refund about 10 months ago for $2,400 that I definitely wasn't expecting, and still no explanation letter despite their promise that one was coming "in a few days." Like others have suggested, I immediately moved the money into a separate high-yield savings account and haven't touched it. At least if they want it back, I'll have it ready plus whatever interest I've earned in the meantime. What's been driving me crazy is not knowing WHY they sent it. I've gone through my return multiple times trying to figure out what they might have adjusted, but I can't pinpoint it. Could be anything from a credit I missed to them correcting some calculation error I made. The phone situation is absolutely hopeless - I've easily spent 30+ hours on hold over the past year with zero success. Based on what people are saying here about those third-party services, I'm seriously considering trying one of them. At this point I just want to know if this money is legitimately mine or if I'm sitting on a ticking time bomb! Has anyone here actually had the IRS come back and demand money from a Notice 54 situation, or do they usually just let it slide if it was their adjustment error?

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I'm curious about this too! From what I've read in this thread, it seems like the IRS can come back and request repayment if it was truly an error, but if it was a legitimate adjustment they made (even if they failed to send the explanation), you should be fine keeping it. The tricky part is figuring out which situation you're in without being able to talk to anyone at the IRS. That's why I'm really interested in trying one of those AI tools people mentioned - seems like it might be the only way to get answers when the phone system is completely broken. @Giovanni Ricci - have you considered trying the taxr.ai thing that Emma and Malik had success with? At least then you d'know if it was a legitimate adjustment or if you need to prepare for them wanting it back. The not knowing is probably the worst part of this whole situation!

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Don't forget about state taxes too! Some states haven't adopted the federal $600 threshold and still use the old $20,000/200 transaction limit. California, for example, still uses the higher threshold. This means PayPal might send a 1099-K to the IRS but not to your state tax authority, depending on where you live. Makes everything even more confusing!

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Cameron Black

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Exactly which states are still using the old threshold? I'm in Maryland and now I'm worried I'm doing this all wrong.

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Miguel Silva

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Great question about state thresholds! As of 2024, several states haven't adopted the federal $600 threshold yet. Besides California (which you mentioned), states like Arkansas, Florida, Massachusetts, Missouri, Mississippi, New Mexico, and Vermont are still using the higher $20,000/200 transaction threshold. Maryland actually DID adopt the federal $600 threshold, so you should be getting state 1099-Ks that match your federal ones. But this is exactly why it's so important to check your specific state's rules - the patchwork of different thresholds makes this whole situation even more complicated. If you're in a state with different thresholds, you might end up with situations where PayPal reports to the IRS but not your state, or vice versa. Always worth double-checking your state's current rules since some are still in transition.

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