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Omar Fawzi

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Great question! I actually went through this exact situation last year with my property management business. You're on the right track with wanting to hire your kids, but definitely go the employee route rather than 1099 contractors - the IRS is very particular about legitimate contractor relationships, and with family members doing directed work, it's much safer to treat them as employees. A few practical tips from my experience: Make sure you have them fill out I-9 forms and W-4s just like any other employee, even though they're your kids. Keep detailed time logs - I use a simple app where they clock in/out with photos of the work site. For the types of tasks you mentioned (painting, cleaning, landscaping), those are perfect for teens and generally allowed under child labor laws. The Roth IRA strategy is fantastic! Since they'll likely be in the 0% tax bracket with $3,000 annual income, they can essentially get tax-free money into retirement accounts that will compound for 50+ years. Just remember they can only contribute up to their actual earned income, so if one kid earns $2,000, that's their max Roth contribution for the year. One last thing - consider having them complete basic safety training for any tools they'll use. It shows you're treating this as a legitimate business operation and helps protect everyone involved.

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Andre Dupont

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This is incredibly thorough advice, thank you! The I-9 and W-4 forms point is something I completely overlooked - I was so focused on the tax advantages that I forgot about the basic employment paperwork requirements. The clock-in app with photos sounds perfect for creating that documented trail everyone's been mentioning. Do you have a specific app recommendation, or just any basic time tracking app with photo capability? And you're absolutely right about the safety training - that's not only smart from a liability perspective but also shows I'm treating this as a real business operation rather than just paying my kids for chores. Plus it's probably good life skills for them anyway! The 0% tax bracket insight is really encouraging. It makes the whole Roth IRA strategy even more attractive when you think about decades of tax-free growth starting from their teen years. Thanks for sharing your real-world experience with this setup!

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This is such valuable information! I'm in a similar situation with my small contracting business and have been wondering about hiring my 15-year-old daughter for administrative tasks and light cleaning work at job sites. Reading through all these responses really clarifies the employee vs. contractor distinction - I was initially thinking 1099 too, but it's clear that's not the right approach for family members doing directed work. The FICA tax exemption for kids under 18 in sole proprietorships is a huge advantage I wasn't aware of. I'm particularly interested in the documentation strategies mentioned here. Between the photo time-tracking apps, detailed job descriptions, and proper payroll setup, it seems like creating a paper trail is really crucial for legitimizing these arrangements with the IRS. One question I have is about seasonal work - since real estate renovation tends to be project-based, would it be problematic to have periods where the kids aren't working at all, followed by busy periods where they're working more hours? Or is consistency important for maintaining the legitimate employment relationship? The Roth IRA angle is brilliant too. Getting kids started with retirement savings in their teens with money they actually earned could be life-changing over the long term. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences!

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Great question about seasonal/project-based work! From what I understand, having variable work periods shouldn't be an issue as long as you're documenting everything properly when they are working. Many legitimate businesses have seasonal employees or project-based workers, so the IRS would expect that pattern in industries like real estate renovation. The key is maintaining that legitimate employer-employee relationship during the periods when they are working - proper timekeeping, reasonable wages, actual work performed, etc. During off-seasons, they're just not scheduled, which is totally normal. I'd actually argue that project-based work might even strengthen your case because it shows they're being hired for specific business needs rather than just getting a regular allowance disguised as wages. Just make sure to document the business reasoning for when projects start and end. Your daughter doing administrative tasks is smart too - that kind of work is less restricted by child labor laws and creates a nice variety in her work experience. The combination of admin work and light cleaning gives you more flexibility in scheduling around school and other activities.

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Nia Harris

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I'm sorry to hear about your partner's layoff and the stress you're both going through with the foundation repairs. That sounds like a really tough situation. To answer your question directly - yes, if your total tax liability ends up being zero after applying all your credits and deductions, you will get back all of the income tax that was withheld from your 401k distribution. The 20% withholding is just a prepayment toward your eventual tax bill, similar to how tax is withheld from regular paychecks. When you file your return, the 401k distribution will be reported as income, but the withholding will also be reported as taxes you've already paid. After calculating your actual tax liability (which could be zero with the Earned Income Credit, Child Tax Credit, and other credits), any excess withholding gets refunded to you. One thing to keep in mind is that the distribution will increase your Adjusted Gross Income, which could potentially affect the amount of certain income-based credits like the EITC. But given that you mentioned you'll be below the poverty line, you'll likely still qualify for significant credits that should result in getting most or all of that withholding back. Make sure to keep all your documentation organized, especially the 1099-R form you'll receive, as it will show exactly how much was withheld and what codes apply to your distribution. Good luck with everything!

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NeonNebula

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Thank you so much for the detailed explanation and the kind words about our situation! It's been really stressful but knowing that we'll likely get that withholding back is a huge relief. I appreciate you mentioning the AGI impact on credits - that's something I hadn't fully considered. We have two kids, so we should still qualify for some level of EITC even with the 401k distribution added to our income, but I'll definitely run the numbers to see exactly how it affects us. The foundation repairs were absolutely necessary (our house was literally sinking on one side), so I feel confident we meet the hardship requirements. I'll make sure to keep all the documentation organized like you suggested. Thanks again for taking the time to help!

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Adaline Wong

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I'm really glad to see so many helpful responses here! As someone who works in tax preparation, I can confirm that everything mentioned about the withholding being treated as a prepayment is absolutely correct. One additional tip I'd suggest - when you receive your 1099-R form (usually by the end of January), double-check that the withholding amount in Box 4 matches what you expected. Sometimes there can be errors, and it's much easier to get them corrected before you file your return. Also, since you mentioned using the funds for foundation repairs, make sure to keep all receipts and documentation about the emergency nature of the repairs. While this might not directly affect how the withholding is handled, having solid documentation of the hardship can be helpful if there are any questions about the distribution later. Given your income situation and family size, you're very likely to get back most or all of that 20% withholding. The tax system is designed so that withholding is just an estimate - your actual tax return settles up the real amount owed or refunded. Hang in there, and I hope things improve for your family soon!

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Just a heads up, the taxation of scholarships also depends on what type of visa you have. I'm on F-1 and discovered that we're generally considered "non-resident aliens" for tax purposes during our first 5 calendar years in the US, which means different tax rules. I messed up last year by using TurboTax, which doesn't handle international student taxes correctly. Sprintax is actually better for our situation, so I think you're using the right software.

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Finnegan Gunn

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This is really important - using the wrong tax software can cause huge problems. My roommate used regular TurboTax and ended up with a massive bill, while I used Sprintax and paid way less because it correctly applied the international student rules.

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Carmen Vega

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I completely understand your panic - I went through the exact same shock last year! The $3,300 bill sounds about right if a significant portion of your scholarship was used for living expenses rather than tuition. Here's what likely happened: when you entered your total scholarship amount into Sprintax, it correctly identified that only the portion used for qualified educational expenses (tuition, required fees, books) is tax-free. The rest - anything used for housing, meals, personal expenses - is taxable income for international students. As an F-1 student, you're considered a non-resident alien for tax purposes, which means stricter rules apply to scholarship taxation compared to US citizens. The good news is that if you can document exactly how much of your scholarship went directly to tuition and required fees, you can reduce the taxable amount. I'd recommend going back through your Sprintax filing and double-checking that you properly separated qualified vs non-qualified expenses. Also, since you're from Malaysia, check if the US-Malaysia tax treaty provides any student benefits that might apply to your situation. Don't lose hope - there are often ways to reduce what you owe once you understand the rules better!

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Caleb Stark

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This is really helpful advice! I'm actually in a similar situation as an international student from Canada. Can you clarify what counts as "qualified educational expenses"? My scholarship covered tuition, but also things like lab fees, student health insurance, and some required software for my program. Are those considered qualified expenses or would they be taxable? Also, how do you actually document the breakdown between qualified and non-qualified expenses? Do I need official receipts from the university or is the scholarship award letter enough?

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Emma Davis

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Serious question: has anyone ever successfully sued the IRS for damages caused by their delays? This is getting ridiculous.

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Malik Johnson

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Good luck with that. You'd probably get your letter before the lawsuit even made it to court πŸ™„

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Nasira Ibanez

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I had the same issue last year! Here's what worked for me: I went to the IRS website and used their "Get Transcript" tool. You can actually get your verification letter (with the 14-digit code) instantly online if you can verify your identity through their system. It's under "Get Transcript Online" and then select "Verification of Non-filing Letter" or whatever document you need. Saved me weeks of waiting! Worth a try before paying for third-party services.

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Freya Larsen

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OMG thank you for this! I had no idea you could get it online instantly. Just tried it and it worked perfectly - got my 14-digit code right away! You literally just saved me weeks of stress πŸ™Œ Why doesn't the IRS make this more obvious??

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I track my refunds meticulously every year using the Transaction Code timeline. After your DDD (TC 846) appears on your transcript, the Treasury Financial Management Service (FMS) initiates the ACH transfer to your bank's routing number. For my February 19th DDD this year, the funds weren't available until February 22nd. The Federal Reserve's Automated Clearing House operates on business days only, which explains the Monday likelihood. For medical expenses, you might want to contact the provider's billing department while waiting - many offer temporary holds when you can show proof of incoming funds.

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Javier Garcia

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I'm in a similar situation with my 2/26 DDD! Filed through Credit Karma as well and been checking my account obsessively. What I've learned from my banking experience is that even though the IRS releases funds on the DDD, different banks have varying processing times. My credit union typically doesn't show pending ACH deposits, so they just appear suddenly when they're processed. Since today is Saturday, most banks won't process until Monday anyway. The medical bills stress is real though - I had to call my doctor's office and explain the situation, and they were understanding about extending my payment deadline a few days. Hang in there, Monday should hopefully be the day for both of us!

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