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Zainab Ahmed

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Another thing to consider - make sure you're actually itemizing deductions before worrying about this. With the higher standard deduction ($13,850 for single filers in 2023), you might not even benefit from claiming mortgage interest if your total itemized deductions don't exceed the standard amount.

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Good point! I forgot about this and spent hours dealing with mortgage interest documentation only to find out later that taking the standard deduction would've given me more money back anyway. Check if itemizing actually benefits you before going through all this trouble.

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Freya Johansen

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This is actually a pretty straightforward situation that comes up frequently. Since you paid 100% of the mortgage interest from your own accounts, you're absolutely entitled to claim the full deduction regardless of whose SSN appears on the 1098. The IRS Publication 936 specifically addresses this - the person who actually pays the mortgage interest gets the deduction, not necessarily the person whose name is on the loan documents. Just make sure to: 1. Attach a clear statement to your return explaining that while the 1098 shows your father's SSN, you made all mortgage payments 2. Keep detailed records of all your payments (bank statements, online payment confirmations, etc.) 3. Include both SSNs in your explanation for clarity Since your dad is your dependent and doesn't file his own return, there's no risk of duplicate claims. The IRS sees these situations regularly and has established procedures for handling them. As long as you can document your payments, you shouldn't have any issues claiming the full mortgage interest deduction.

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This is really helpful! I'm dealing with a similar situation where my mom's name is on the mortgage but I've been making all the payments. Do you know if there's a specific format the IRS prefers for that explanation statement, or is it just a simple letter explaining the situation? Also, should I attach copies of bank statements showing the payments, or just keep them in case they ask for them later?

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Is the Minister's Housing Allowance actually beneficial for tax purposes?

Hey everyone, I think I'm missing something fundamental about the Minister's Housing Allowance benefit, and I could really use some guidance! I recently started working at a local church with an annual salary of $64,000. During orientation, they mentioned I could designate part of my salary as a housing allowance that wouldn't be subject to income tax. Looking into the rules, I found that you can only designate the lowest of: the fair rental value of your furnished home, your actual housing costs, or whatever amount the church board approves. The HR person also mentioned they typically recommend not designating more than 50% of salary as housing allowance, though that's just their internal guideline, not an IRS rule. The confusing part is that while the housing allowance portion would be exempt from income tax, I'd have to pay 15.3% in self-employment taxes (Social Security and Medicare) on my ENTIRE $64,000 salary, instead of just the 7.65% that would normally be withheld if I didn't take the housing allowance. I created a spreadsheet to figure this out and the math seems backward. For instance, if I designate 50% ($32,000) as housing allowance: Without housing allowance: I'd pay income tax on the full $64,000 plus 7.65% FICA taxes on $64,000 With housing allowance: I'd pay income tax on only $32,000 but 15.3% self-employment tax on all $64,000 When I run the numbers, it looks like I'd actually LOSE money by taking the housing allowance until my salary hits around $95,000! Am I calculating something wrong? Is this benefit really only helpful for higher-paid ministers? I'm filing as single and taking the standard deduction if that matters. I haven't factored in state taxes either, just trying to understand the federal implications. Any insight would be super appreciated. Every time they bring up the housing allowance, I get confused about whether it's actually beneficial for someone at my income level!

Olivia Harris

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I'm a new minister dealing with this exact situation! Reading through everyone's responses has been incredibly helpful, but I'm still a bit confused about the timing aspect. My church board meets quarterly, and I just started my position last month. Can I retroactively designate a housing allowance for the months I've already worked, or does it need to be designated before I receive the salary? I've been paying regular income tax on my full salary so far. Also, I'm renting an apartment and my actual housing costs (rent + utilities + renters insurance) come to about $1,800/month. My salary is $55,000 annually. Would it make sense to designate the full $21,600 annually as housing allowance, or should I be more conservative? I don't want to run into issues with the "fair rental value" test since I don't own my home. Thanks for all the great advice in this thread - especially about the FICA withholding issue. I need to check my paystubs immediately!

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Chloe Martin

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Unfortunately, housing allowances cannot be designated retroactively - they must be officially designated by your church BEFORE you receive the salary. So for the months you've already worked, you'll need to pay regular income tax on that full salary amount. However, you can definitely get it set up for going forward! Even if your board only meets quarterly, they could potentially approve it via email or phone vote if your church bylaws allow, or designate someone (like the senior pastor or board chair) with authority to make this designation between meetings. Regarding your $21,600 annual designation - that sounds very reasonable since you're actually paying those housing costs. For renters, the "fair rental value" test is usually easier to meet since you're literally paying fair market rent. Just make sure to keep all your lease agreements, utility bills, and renters insurance statements as documentation. One tip: consider asking your church to designate slightly more than your current expenses (maybe $24,000-25,000) to account for potential rent increases during the year or additional qualifying expenses like furnishings, cleaning supplies, or internet if it's not included in your current calculation. You can only exclude what you actually spend, but having a higher designation gives you flexibility. And yes, definitely check those paystubs for FICA withholding immediately!

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Great thread everyone! As someone who's worked in church administration for over a decade, I want to emphasize a few key points that can save ministers significant money: First, the confusion in the original post is very common - many ministers think the housing allowance creates additional tax burden when it actually ALWAYS saves money on federal income taxes. The 15.3% self-employment tax applies to your full ministerial income regardless of housing allowance designation. Second, timing is crucial. Unlike some tax benefits, housing allowances must be designated BEFORE payment, not when you file taxes. Churches should document this through board minutes or official letters. Third, don't forget about state taxes! While the housing allowance reduces federal income tax, most states don't recognize this exclusion, so you'll still pay state income tax on your full salary. This is still usually beneficial overall, but factor it into your calculations. Finally, for those struggling with the "fair rental value" determination, consider that this includes utilities, furnishings, and maintenance - not just bare rent. A $1,200/month apartment might have a fair rental value of $1,500+ when you factor in what a furnished rental with utilities would cost. Keep excellent records and don't be afraid to take advantage of this legitimate tax benefit that Congress specifically created for ministers!

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CosmicCaptain

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This is exactly the kind of comprehensive breakdown I needed! Thank you for clarifying the state tax implications - I hadn't considered that aspect at all. Living in California, this definitely affects my calculations since we have pretty high state income tax rates here. Your point about fair rental value including utilities and furnishings is really helpful too. I've been thinking too narrowly about just the base rent amount. When I factor in what it would actually cost to rent a furnished place with all utilities included in my area, I could probably justify designating closer to $30,000 annually instead of the $21,600 I was initially thinking. One follow-up question: you mentioned that churches should document the designation through board minutes or official letters. Is there specific language that should be included, or is a simple statement like "We designate $X of Pastor Smith's salary as housing allowance for the 2025 tax year" sufficient for IRS purposes? Also, do you happen to know if there are any restrictions on changing the designation amount during the year if circumstances change (like if I move to a more expensive rental)?

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Mei Chen

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As a newcomer to this discussion, I want to thank everyone for the detailed explanations! I'm in a similar situation as the original poster - graduate student with scholarships and a TA position. One thing I'm still unclear on: if I received both need-based grants and merit scholarships this year, how does that affect what's reported on the 1098-T? My financial aid office mentioned something about "net billing" vs reporting actual payments, but I didn't really understand what they meant. Also, for those who used the tax analysis services mentioned above, did you find them helpful even if your financial aid package changed mid-year? I had to take out additional loans for spring semester when my funding situation changed, so I'm worried my 1098-T might be confusing to interpret. Really appreciate all the helpful advice in this thread - makes me feel much less anxious about providing my SSN and dealing with this form!

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Welcome to the conversation! Your questions about "net billing" vs actual payments are really important - this is one of the most confusing aspects of 1098-T forms for students. "Net billing" means your school reports the difference between what you were charged and what financial aid covered, while "actual payments" reports what you or your family actually paid out of pocket. Most schools use the net billing method now, which can make the form look strange if you have significant financial aid. For your situation with both need-based grants and merit scholarships, Box 5 on your 1098-T will show the total of all your scholarships and grants combined. What matters for tax purposes is whether this amount exceeds your qualified education expenses (Box 1). If your scholarships exceed qualified expenses, the excess might be taxable income. Regarding mid-year changes, the tax services mentioned should definitely be able to handle that complexity - your 1098-T will reflect the full academic year regardless of when payments or aid changes occurred. The key is that everything gets consolidated into the final form you receive in January. Don't worry about the SSN requirement - it's completely legitimate and necessary for the school to issue your form properly!

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Sophia Miller

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Just wanted to add another perspective as someone who works in university administration - the timing of when you provide your SSN can actually impact when you receive your 1098-T. Schools typically process these in batches, and if you submit your SSN close to the January deadline, your form might arrive later than others. Since you mentioned you're a TA, make sure you understand that your TA stipend/salary will appear on a separate W-2 form, NOT on the 1098-T. The 1098-T only covers tuition, fees, and scholarships/grants. This is a common source of confusion for graduate students who think all their university-related income should be on one form. Also, keep in mind that if you're claimed as a dependent on someone else's tax return (like your parents), they may be the ones eligible to claim the education credits, not you. This is something to coordinate with your family to make sure you're maximizing the tax benefits. The $50 penalty mentioned in your university's email is real, but it's a penalty the school would pay for not reporting correctly, not something you'd be charged. So don't stress about that part - just provide your SSN through their secure portal and you'll be all set.

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This is really helpful information about the timing and separate forms! I had no idea that submitting my SSN late could delay getting the 1098-T. Since I'm trying to file my taxes as early as possible to get any refund quickly, I'll make sure to submit through their portal right away. The clarification about TA stipends being on a W-2 instead of the 1098-T is super important - I was definitely expecting everything to be on one form. Do you know if tuition waivers that TAs sometimes get show up anywhere on the 1098-T, or are those handled differently? Also, regarding the dependent status - I'm over 24 and financially independent, so I should be filing my own return and claiming any education credits myself, right? Just want to make sure I'm not missing anything there. Thanks for explaining that the $50 penalty is the university's problem, not mine - that was definitely one of the things making me nervous about the whole situation!

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I'm going through the exact same situation! Got my SBTPG trace number this morning with a DDD of 2/26 on my transcript. Reading through everyone's experiences here is both reassuring and frustrating - reassuring because it sounds like the trace number means we're in the home stretch, but frustrating because of how long this whole process takes. I had no idea about all these processing steps when I agreed to pay my tax prep fees from my refund. Next year I'm definitely paying upfront and getting direct deposit straight from the IRS. Based on what everyone's shared, sounds like I should expect my deposit by Friday or early next week. The waiting is killing me though - I keep refreshing my bank app even though I know it's probably not going to show up today!

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I totally feel your pain! I'm completely new to this whole SBTPG process and had no idea what I was getting into when I chose to pay my prep fees from my refund. Reading everyone's experiences here has been such a lifesaver - I was starting to panic that something was wrong with my return. It's crazy how they don't explain upfront that getting a trace number is just the beginning of another 1-3 day wait! I'm definitely learning from everyone's mistakes here and will pay my prep fees upfront next year to avoid this whole third-party processor situation. The suspense of waiting for that deposit to hit is brutal when you're depending on the money. Thanks for sharing your timeline - it helps knowing I'm not the only one going through this stress right now!

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Amara Okafor

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I'm in a very similar situation and this thread has been incredibly helpful! I have a DDD of 2/26 on my transcript and just noticed my SBTPG trace number appeared this morning. Based on everyone's experiences shared here, it sounds like I should expect my funds to arrive sometime between tomorrow and early next week. What's frustrating is how little information SBTPG provides about their processing timeline upfront. When I agreed to have my tax prep fees deducted from my refund, I had no idea this would add 2-4 extra days to getting my money compared to direct deposit from the IRS. The trace number is definitely reassuring though - at least I know the funds are in their system now. I've learned so much from reading everyone's specific timelines and experiences. Next year I'm absolutely paying my prep fees upfront to avoid this whole third-party processor delay. For now, I guess it's just a waiting game until SBTPG completes their processing steps and initiates the final transfer to my bank. Thanks everyone for sharing your stories - it really helps manage expectations during this stressful waiting period!

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Jasmine Quinn

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I'm totally new to this community and this whole tax refund process, but reading everyone's experiences has been so eye-opening! I had no clue that choosing to pay prep fees from your refund would create all these extra delays. Your timeline sounds exactly like what several others have shared - DDD of 2/26 with trace number appearing today means you're probably looking at funds by Friday or Monday. It's wild how SBTPG doesn't make this processing timeline clear upfront! I'm definitely taking notes from everyone here about paying prep fees directly next year to avoid this stress. Thanks for such a detailed breakdown of your situation - it really helps newcomers like me understand what to expect!

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Arnav Bengali

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could be worse bestie, at least ur getting yours! still waiting since february 🀑

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Mei Wong

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This is super frustrating! I had the same thing happen to me earlier this year. The IRS switched my refund from direct deposit to a paper check without any warning. Turns out my bank had changed some internal routing procedures and rejected the deposit attempt. The worst part is they don't really give you a clear explanation of why it happened. I ended up having to wait an extra 10 days beyond the original direct deposit date to actually receive the check in the mail. Hopefully yours arrives closer to the November 22nd date they gave you! Keep checking your mailbox daily once you get close to that date.

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Aisha Jackson

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Ugh that's exactly what I'm worried about! 10 extra days is rough when you're counting on that money. Did you ever find out exactly why your bank rejected it? I'm wondering if I should call my bank to see if there were any issues on their end. Thanks for the heads up about checking the mailbox daily - definitely going to be stalking my mail carrier once we get close to the 22nd πŸ“¬

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