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Does anyone know if using the money for a first home purchase exempts you from the 10% penalty on a Roth 403b? I know it does for IRAs up to $10k but I thought 403b plans didn't qualify for that exception?
You're right to be confused because there's an important distinction here. The first-time homebuyer exception that waives the 10% early withdrawal penalty applies to IRAs (both traditional and Roth) up to $10,000 lifetime limit, but it does NOT apply to 403b or 401k plans. For 403b/401k plans, you would still face the 10% penalty on any taxable portions withdrawn early, even if used for a first home purchase. However, if you first roll your 403b funds into an IRA, then wait at least 60 days, you could take advantage of the homebuyer exception through the IRA.
Great question about the 1099-R! Based on what you've described, it sounds like you're dealing with a fairly standard Roth 403b withdrawal situation. The $12,000 non-taxable portion represents your contributions (money you already paid taxes on when you earned it), while the $4,000 taxable portion represents earnings that grew tax-free in your account. Since you didn't have taxes withheld, you'll need to account for this when filing. You'll owe regular income tax on that $4,000 plus the 10% early withdrawal penalty ($400). Unfortunately, as others mentioned, 403b plans don't qualify for the first-time homebuyer exception that applies to IRAs. One thing to consider for future reference - you might want to look into whether your 403b plan allows for hardship withdrawals or loans for home purchases, as these sometimes have more favorable terms. Also, since you're in Florida (no state income tax), you at least don't have to worry about additional state penalties. Make sure to keep all your home purchase documentation - closing statements, contracts, etc. - in case the IRS has any questions about the withdrawal purpose. And don't forget to file Form 5329 with your tax return to report the early distribution properly!
Thanks for the detailed breakdown! I'm actually in a similar situation right now - considering an early withdrawal from my 403b for a home purchase. You mentioned hardship withdrawals or loans as alternatives - do you know if the loan option would avoid the tax implications entirely? I've heard conflicting information about whether 403b loans are treated differently than withdrawals for tax purposes. Also, is there a typical maximum loan amount or percentage of your account balance that plans usually allow?
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The pattern you're seeing is actually completely normal! The N/A entries don't mean there's a problem with your returns. Here's what's happening: **Return Transcripts** - These are only kept readily available online for recent years (usually 2-4 years). Having just 2021 available is typical. **Account Transcripts showing N/A** - This is actually GOOD news! It means you haven't had any post-filing adjustments, amendments, or IRS changes to your returns. If the IRS had made changes or you filed amendments, these would show up here. **Wage & Income Transcripts** - These have the longest availability (2019-2022 in your case) because they're direct reports from employers/financial institutions to the IRS. **Record of Account showing N/A** - Since this combines Return and Account transcript data, and your Account transcripts are N/A (no changes), this would also show N/A. The asterisk note about "Verification of Non-Filing letters" just means if you need to prove you didn't file for a particular year, that option exists. Bottom line: Your transcript availability looks completely normal for someone who filed their returns properly without needing amendments or having IRS adjustments. Nothing to worry about! π
One thing to watch out for with BC PST - if you're providing digital products or services, the rules can be different than for physical goods. I learned this the hard way last year. For digital services sold to BC customers, you generally need to charge PST. But the same digital service sold to customers outside BC (including US) is PST-exempt. Check out the BC gov website's bulletin PST 107 for the specific rules on telecommunications services which includes digital products. Don't make the same mistake I did and assume digital = exempt!
Does software-as-a-service (SaaS) count as a digital service for PST purposes? I offer a monthly subscription to my web application and wasn't sure if I should be charging PST to my BC customers.
Yes, SaaS definitely counts as a taxable service for BC PST purposes. You should be charging 7% PST to all your BC-based customers for your web application subscriptions. The province considers software accessed through an online portal to be the same as software purchased and downloaded. The provincial government has been increasingly focused on digital service taxation in recent years, so this is definitely an area where you want to be compliant. If you haven't been collecting PST on these transactions, you might want to look into voluntary disclosure before they catch it in an audit.
Quick heads up for anyone with BC small businesses - make sure you're also keeping track of where YOUR suppliers are located. If you're buying stuff from other provinces or internationally, different input tax rules apply. For example, I was buying software from an Ontario company and they were charging me HST, which affects how I claim input tax credits compared to GST. And when I buy from US suppliers, there's no GST/HST charged but I might pay duties or import taxes depending on what I'm buying. Tracking this stuff from day one saves massive headaches at tax time!!
Just wanted to share my experience - I was in almost identical situation last year. $198k net revenue, single-member LLC, found out about S corps in October. I filed Form 2553 under Rev. Proc. 2013-30 with my tax return for last year. My strategy was setting up payroll for Nov and Dec only, took reasonable salary for those months ($15k total), and documented why this was appropriate given the timing of my election. My S election was accepted without issues. Saved about $4k in taxes even with just 2 months of S-corp status, and now I'm fully set up for this year too. The key was solid documentation explaining the timing of my reasonable compensation decisions.
Wouldn't the IRS question why you only started payroll for 2 months though? I'm worried they'd see that as trying to avoid paying yourself properly for the whole year.
I went through this exact situation two years ago and decided to wait until the following tax year - best decision I made! Here's why: The administrative nightmare of retroactive S-corp compliance isn't just about filing Form 2553. You'd need to: - Set up payroll software and processes - Calculate and pay employment taxes for the entire year - File quarterly 941 forms (which were due months ago) - Potentially face penalties for late payroll tax deposits - Amend your quarterly estimated tax payments With $230k in net revenue, you're probably looking at around $6-8k in SE tax savings, but the compliance costs, penalties, and rushed setup could easily eat half of that. I used the extra time to properly research payroll providers, set up business banking for payroll, and plan my reasonable compensation strategy. When I elected S-corp status for the following year, everything was clean and proper from day one. The peace of mind was worth more than the one-year delay in tax savings. Plus, having a full year of S-corp planning let me optimize other aspects of my business structure that I would have missed if I'd rushed into it.
This is really helpful perspective! I'm leaning toward waiting for 2024 too after reading all these responses. Quick question - when you did elect S-corp status the following year, did you file Form 2553 right at the beginning of the tax year (like in January) or wait until you filed your tax return? I want to make sure I don't miss any deadlines if I go this route.
NeonNinja
Quick follow-up question for you: β’ Did they tell you specifically why your return was flagged for verification? β’ Were you claiming any specific credits that might have triggered this? β’ Did you file with a tax preparer or self-prepare? I'm trying to identify patterns in who gets selected for verification vs. full-blown identity verification letters. This could help others prepare proactively next tax season.
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Eli Butler
Just went through phone verification two weeks ago! Here's what they asked me: β’ Basic info (name, SSN, DOB, address from return) β’ My 2024 AGI from line 11 of Form 1040 β’ Driver's license number and expiration date β’ Previous year's AGI (2023) β’ Asked me to confirm two specific 1099-NEC amounts I reported β’ One random question about my filing status The whole call took about 18 minutes. I had everything organized beforehand which definitely helped. My transcript updated 3 days later and refund hit my account exactly one week after the call. Pro tip: Have your actual tax return PDF open on your computer/phone during the call. Makes it so much easier to reference specific amounts quickly. They seemed impressed when I could answer immediately instead of saying "um, let me find that..." Good luck with your call! The phone verification is honestly way better than waiting for that stupid letter in the mail.
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