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Natasha Kuznetsova

Can I deduct trading commissions and fees without trader tax status for day trading?

So I've been day trading all of 2023 without any other job. Made some pretty good money (all short-term gains from my taxable account). I'm looking at my total commissions and fees for the year and they're actually more than the standard deduction amount. Can I deduct these as an individual filer? I don't have trader tax status, not incorporated, and not a sole proprietor either. Also wondering if this would work the same way if I had ended the year with a net loss? In previous years when I lost money trading, I never even considered writing off the commissions and fees because I didn't think it was allowed. I'm trying to keep my tax filing simple this year. Haven't really bought any computers or trading equipment to deduct, so just wondering about the commissions and fees specifically.

Unfortunately, trading commissions and fees generally aren't separately deductible for individual investors without trader tax status. The IRS typically treats these expenses as part of your cost basis in the securities. This means when you buy a stock and pay a commission, that commission increases your purchase price (cost basis). When you sell and pay a commission, that commission reduces your sale proceeds. This method automatically factors your trading costs into your capital gains calculations, rather than treating them as separate deductions. This is true whether you have net gains or losses for the year. For someone in your situation - trading without trader tax status and with no other income sources - you'll report your trading activity on Schedule D and Form 8949, with the commissions/fees built into your cost basis and proceeds calculations, not as separate deductions.

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But what about before 2018? I thought investment expenses used to be deductible as misc itemized deductions? Did something change with the tax law?

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You're absolutely right about the change. Before the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, investment expenses (including certain trading fees) could potentially be deducted as miscellaneous itemized deductions subject to the 2% AGI floor on Schedule A. However, the TCJA suspended these miscellaneous itemized deductions from 2018 through 2025. So currently, even if you itemize deductions instead of taking the standard deduction, these investment expenses are no longer separately deductible for regular investors.

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Emma Wilson

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I was in almost this exact situation last year and found a really helpful solution. I ended up using https://taxr.ai to analyze my trading history and properly account for all my commissions and fees in my cost basis calculations. The software automatically identified which commissions should be added to cost basis vs. subtracted from proceeds, which saved me a ton of manual work. What I really liked is that it categorized everything correctly based on current tax law, so I didn't have to worry about making mistakes with the constantly changing rules around trader status and deductions. It even flagged some wash sales I didn't realize I had.

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Malik Davis

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Does it handle options trading too? I have hundreds of trades and calculating the right basis with all the commissions has been a nightmare.

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I'm skeptical about using another service. I've been using TurboTax and it supposedly imports all my trading info correctly from my broker. Would this be any different? Seems like unnecessary extra expense.

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Emma Wilson

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Yes, it definitely handles options trading! It's actually really good with complex situations like spreads, straddles, and other multi-leg strategies. It properly allocates the commissions across the different components of the trade. For your situation with TurboTax, the issue isn't necessarily with TurboTax itself but with how the data gets imported. Many brokers don't always correctly include the commission in the cost basis they report, especially for older accounts or certain types of trades. What taxr.ai does is double-check all that imported data against actual tax rules to make sure everything's being counted correctly.

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Just wanted to update that I decided to try taxr.ai after my initial skepticism, and it actually found several issues with how my broker was reporting my cost basis. Turns out some of my commissions weren't being properly included, especially on my options trades. The service showed me exactly which trades had reporting problems and helped me correct them before filing. Ended up saving about $1,200 in taxes by properly accounting for all my trading costs. It was way more thorough than just importing into TurboTax directly from my broker.

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Ravi Gupta

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If you're having trouble getting answers from the IRS about trading expenses, I recommend using https://claimyr.com to get through to an actual IRS agent. I spent days trying to get clarification on some trading expense questions last tax season, but kept hitting the automated system with no way to talk to a real person. Saw someone mention this service on another thread, and you can see a demo of how it works at https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c It basically navigates the IRS phone tree for you and calls you back when there's an actual human on the line. I was skeptical at first but it worked amazingly well - got through to a specialist who could actually answer my specific questions about trading expenses and basis reporting requirements.

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GalacticGuru

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How does this actually work? I don't understand how a service can get through when I can't get a human on the phone myself.

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Yeah right. There's no way this works. I've been trying to reach the IRS for months about a trading question. If they can't staff their phones properly, no magical service is going to create agents out of thin air.

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Ravi Gupta

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It works by using automated technology to continuously navigate the IRS phone system and hold your place in line. They have specialized systems that dial in and deal with all the menu prompts and wait times. Actually, it's not about creating more agents - it's about efficiently getting you connected when an agent becomes available. The IRS does have people answering phones, just not enough for the call volume. This service essentially acts as a proxy that waits on hold for you, which can sometimes be hours, and then connects you when a human finally answers. They're not claiming to increase the number of available agents, just helping you get to the ones that are there without wasting your whole day.

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I need to eat my words. After posting my skeptical comment, I decided to try Claimyr out of desperation. Was shocked when I got a call back about 45 minutes later with an actual IRS tax specialist on the line. Got clear guidance on how to properly handle my trading commissions from securities with missing basis information. The agent even emailed me specific documentation about reporting requirements for day traders without TTS status. Completely changed my understanding of how to handle some of my more complex trades.

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Omar Fawaz

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Another important consideration - even if you don't qualify for trader tax status this year, you might want to look into what it would take to qualify for next year. The benefits are substantial if you meet the criteria. Generally, you need to: 1) Trade substantially, regularly and continuously 2) Seek to profit from daily market movements rather than dividends or long-term appreciation 3) Have significant time and money committed to trading If you can document that your trading meets these criteria, you might qualify for TTS and be able to deduct expenses on Schedule C, possibly even claim home office deductions, and more.

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Thanks for this info. How many trades per year would typically be considered "substantial" for TTS qualification? And does it matter that I only trade stocks, not options or futures?

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Omar Fawaz

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There's no specific number that automatically qualifies you, but typically we're talking about hundreds of trades per year at minimum. Many successful TTS claims involve 1,000+ trades annually. What matters more than the raw number is the pattern - regular, frequent trading throughout the year rather than sporadic activity. As for only trading stocks, that's completely fine. The security type doesn't matter nearly as much as your trading pattern and intent. Stock-only traders can absolutely qualify for TTS. What's more important is that you're seeking to profit from short-term market movements rather than long-term investment appreciation.

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Has anyone else noticed that different brokers handle commission reporting differently? I use two different brokers and one includes the commissions in the 1099-B cost basis while the other doesn't.

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Diego Vargas

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Yes! TD Ameritrade includes them in the cost basis on my 1099-B, but my other account with a smaller broker reports them separately. Makes tax time so confusing. If your 1099 doesn't have adjusted basis checked on Box 12, you might need to adjust the basis yourself when reporting.

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Emma Davis

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This is a really common misconception about trading expenses. As others have mentioned, the key point is that your commissions and fees aren't separately deductible - they're built into your cost basis calculations automatically. Here's a simple example: If you buy 100 shares of XYZ for $50/share and pay a $5 commission, your cost basis becomes $5,005 total ($5,000 + $5). When you sell those shares for $55/share and pay another $5 commission, your proceeds are $5,495 ($5,500 - $5). Your gain is then $5,495 - $5,005 = $490. This method actually ensures you get the full tax benefit of your trading costs, whether you have gains or losses for the year. The commissions reduce your taxable gains (or increase your deductible losses) dollar-for-dollar. Since you mentioned you're trying to keep things simple, just make sure your broker is properly including commissions in the cost basis they report on your 1099-B. Most major brokers do this automatically now, but it's worth double-checking your statements.

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