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Esteban Tate

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I'm surprised no one mentioned the actual mechanics of WHY the MFJ amount is less than your combined MFS amounts. It's because of how progressive tax brackets work. Say you each make $75k. Filing separately, each of you would have some money taxed at 10%, some at 12%, some at 22%, etc. based on the MFS brackets. But when you combine incomes for MFJ, the brackets are wider. So more of your combined $150k gets taxed at lower rates than when split between two MFS returns. It's like if you had two half-full glasses of water. If you pour them both into a bigger glass, the water level might be lower in the bigger glass because it has a wider base, even though it's the same amount of water. That's an oversimplified explanation, but that's the basic concept of why MFJ often results in lower total tax than MFS combined.

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Love this explanation! The water glass analogy finally made this click for me after years of being confused about it. Does this always work out better for couples or are there situations where MFS would actually be better?

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Kara Yoshida

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Great question! There are definitely situations where MFS can be better than MFJ. The main scenarios are: 1. When one spouse has significant medical expenses - the 7.5% AGI threshold for medical deductions is based on individual income with MFS, so if one spouse has low income but high medical bills, they might qualify for deductions they'd lose with combined MFJ income. 2. Student loan income-driven repayment plans - some plans base payments on individual income when filing MFS versus combined income with MFJ. 3. When one spouse has significant miscellaneous itemized deductions subject to AGI limits. 4. In some cases involving the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT). 5. If one spouse owes back taxes or has liens, filing MFS can protect the other spouse's refund. The key is running the numbers both ways, which sounds like Sara did. For most couples, MFJ wins, but it's always worth checking both options, especially if you have any of these special circumstances.

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Emma Taylor

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This is such a common confusion for newlyweds! I went through the exact same thing two years ago and it's frustrating how the tax software doesn't explain WHY the numbers change so dramatically. One thing that might help explain your specific situation: the difference in how your numbers changed versus your spouse's likely comes down to your withholding patterns throughout the year. When you were both single, your employers withheld taxes based on single filing status. But once married, if you both continued having taxes withheld as if you were single, one of you might have had "too much" withheld relative to your MFS liability while the other had "too little." The fact that your spouse owes the same amount whether filing single or MFS suggests their withholding was already insufficient for their tax liability. But your withholding as a single person was probably close to perfect for single status, which is why you were getting a refund. When you switch to MFS, you're now subject to different (less favorable) brackets and limitations, so that same withholding amount is no longer enough. For next year, definitely update both of your W-4s to reflect your married status. The IRS W-4 estimator on their website is actually pretty good for this, and it will help you avoid owing so much next year.

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This is such a great explanation of the withholding piece! I've been wondering about this exact thing since posting. It makes total sense that my withholding as a "single" person would be appropriate for single status but not for MFS status. I'm definitely going to use the IRS W-4 estimator you mentioned. Do you remember if it walks you through the married filing jointly calculations, or do I need to figure out our combined situation separately? Since we're planning to file MFJ going forward, I want to make sure we get the withholding right for that filing status specifically. Also, should we both update our W-4s at the same time, or is it okay to stagger the changes? I don't want to accidentally mess up our withholding in the other direction and end up with a huge refund next year either.

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When you file the late return, make sure you write the tax year (2023) clearly on the top of the form! The IRS processes millions of returns and you want to make sure they apply it to the correct tax year. Also, if he does owe money and can't pay it all at once, you can request an installment agreement by filing Form 9465 with the late return. This lets you make monthly payments instead of paying the full amount immediately. Don't wait any longer to file though - the longer you wait, the more complicated it gets!

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Max Knight

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Don't panic! This is actually more common than you think. I went through the exact same thing with my partner a couple years ago and it all worked out fine. First, definitely file that 2023 return ASAP. If your husband typically gets refunds (which it sounds like he does), there's no penalty for filing late - you're just delaying getting your own money back. The IRS is pretty understanding about situations like this. For the practical steps: You'll need to get the 2023 tax forms (not the current year ones), gather all his 2023 documents (W-2s, 1099s, etc.), and mail in a paper return since e-filing is closed for prior years. This won't affect your ability to file 2024 taxes on time at all - they're completely separate. One quick check though - make sure he was actually required to file in 2023. If his income was below the filing threshold, he might not have needed to file at all, which would make this whole situation much simpler! You've got this! Just tackle one year at a time and you'll have everything sorted out soon.

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Lara Woods

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What about expenses though? I deliver for multiple apps too and spend so much on gas and car maintenance that I barely make any profit. Do I still need to pay taxes if my expenses basically cancel out the income?

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Gavin King

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You only pay taxes on your profit (income minus expenses), not on your gross income. So if your legitimate business expenses truly offset your income, you might not owe any taxes - but you still need to report all the income and expenses on Schedule C. Make sure you're tracking everything carefully and taking all deductions you're entitled to. As mentioned earlier, for vehicle expenses you can either take the standard mileage rate (which is usually better for gig drivers) OR actual expenses like gas and maintenance, but not both. You'll also need to account for the business percentage of use for your vehicle.

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This is a really common misconception! The $600 threshold only determines whether a company has to send YOU a 1099 form - it has nothing to do with whether the income is taxable. Every dollar you earn from any source is technically taxable income that needs to be reported to the IRS. So yes, you absolutely need to report that $480 from UberEats along with your $780 from Instacart. The fact that they're from different companies doesn't matter - you'll combine all your gig income on Schedule C as self-employment income. Make sure you're tracking your expenses too! Since you're doing delivery work, your biggest deduction will likely be mileage. Keep a log of your business miles for both apps - you can use the standard mileage rate which is currently 67 cents per mile for 2024. Also track other business expenses like phone bills, delivery bags, etc. One more thing - since you're earning over $400 in self-employment income total, you'll also need to pay self-employment taxes (Social Security and Medicare) on top of regular income tax. Consider making quarterly estimated tax payments to avoid penalties next year!

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This is really helpful, thanks! Just to clarify - when you say "every dollar is taxable," does that include small amounts too? Like if I earned $50 from a random one-time gig, that would still need to be reported? And for the quarterly payments you mentioned - is there a minimum income threshold where those become required, or should everyone doing gig work be making them?

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Malia Ponder

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Has anyone here back filed with just the 1040 forms from the IRS website? Or do you really need to use tax software for each specific year? Im trying to save money and wondering if I can just download the forms for each year and fill them out myself.

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Kyle Wallace

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I did this for 2019 and 2020 returns last year. You absolutely CAN download the forms directly from IRS.gov for each specific year and fill them out manually. Look for "Prior Year Forms" on their website. Just make sure you're using the correct forms for each tax year! If your tax situation is fairly simple (just W-2 income, standard deduction), it's definitely doable. I used the instructions PDF for each year too which helped a lot. Then you just mail them in to the address listed in the instructions for your state.

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Just wanted to add something that might help - when you're gathering documents for back filing, make sure to check if you have any 1099s you might have forgotten about. I missed a 1099-INT from a savings account that only had like $12 in interest, but it still needed to be reported. Also, if you can't locate all your documents, you can request wage and income transcripts from the IRS for free through their website or by calling. These transcripts show what income documents were filed under your SSN for each year, which can help you identify any missing paperwork. The good news is that most people in your situation end up getting refunds for the years they didn't file, especially if you had taxes withheld from your paychecks. So don't stress too much - you're likely going to be pleasantly surprised once you get everything sorted out!

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PixelWarrior

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This is really helpful information about requesting transcripts from the IRS! I had no idea you could get wage and income transcripts for free. For someone like me who's completely new to all this tax stuff, how exactly do you request these transcripts? Is it something you can do online or do you have to call? And how long does it typically take to receive them? I'm worried I might be missing some 1099s too since I had a few different part-time jobs over those years and wasn't great about keeping track of paperwork. Your point about most people getting refunds is really reassuring though - I've been losing sleep thinking I'm going to owe thousands in penalties!

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Luca Ferrari

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Michigan resident here - filed same day as you and got my refund yesterday. Maybe double check your routing/account info?

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Freya Nielsen

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Everything looks correct on my end... guess im just unlucky 😪

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I'm in the same situation! Filed my Michigan return on 2/9 and still waiting. The Michigan Treasury website is pretty slow to update compared to federal. I've heard from others that Michigan can take up to 6 weeks for processing this time of year, especially if you have any credits or deductions they need to verify. Try not to stress too much - you're definitely not alone in this wait!

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