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Jason Brewer

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lmaooo liberty tax stays playing games wit ppls money. switched to HR block this year and way better experience ngl

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HR Block does the same thing tho? šŸ‘€

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Jason Brewer

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maybe but at least they're upfront about it šŸ’…

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Oliver Weber

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I used to work at a tax prep office and can confirm what Dylan said - Liberty Tax almost always takes their advance loan repayment from your federal refund first. They have to set up a temporary bank account during tax prep that intercepts your federal refund, deducts what you owe them, then deposits the remainder into your actual account. Your $800 state refund should come directly to you without any deductions. Just make sure to keep checking your account because sometimes the timing can be weird depending on when the IRS processes everything.

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AstroAlpha

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Thanks for the detailed explanation! That temporary bank account thing makes so much sense now. I was wondering how they could just "intercept" the refund like that. Do you know if there's any way to track when they actually receive the federal refund from the IRS?

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Has anyone tried using a CPA instead of an EA? What's really the difference? My buddy used a CPA for his back taxes and said it worked out fine.

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Kyle Wallace

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Both CPAs and EAs can represent you before the IRS, but there are important differences. EAs specialize exclusively in taxation and are licensed by the federal government specifically for tax matters. They often have more experience with IRS representation and tax resolution cases. CPAs are licensed by states and have a broader accounting background that includes taxation but also financial planning, auditing, etc. Some CPAs specialize in tax, others don't. For a non-filer situation like the original poster described, either could help, but an EA might be more cost-effective since their entire practice is focused on tax. The most important factor is finding someone (EA or CPA) who has specific experience with unfiled returns and IRS representation.

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Thanks for explaining the difference! That makes sense - I'll look for someone who specializes in dealing with back taxes regardless of whether they're an EA or CPA.

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I just want to echo what others have said about not panicking over those unopened IRS letters. I was in a very similar situation - hadn't filed for 3 years and was terrified to even look at the mail from the IRS. One thing I learned is that the IRS actually prefers to work with people who are trying to get compliant rather than those who continue to avoid the issue. When I finally got help, the penalties weren't as catastrophic as I had imagined in my head. For finding an EA in Minneapolis specifically, you might want to check with the Minnesota Society of Enrolled Agents. They often have local chapters that can provide referrals to members in your area who have experience with non-filer cases. Also, don't be afraid to interview a few EAs before choosing one. Most reputable ones will offer a brief consultation to discuss your situation and their approach. Ask specifically about their experience with 4+ years of unfiled returns and what their typical timeline looks like for getting everything resolved. You're taking the right step by seeking help now. The sooner you start, the more options you'll have for payment plans and penalty abatement.

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This is really reassuring to hear! I'm actually dealing with a similar situation right now (2 years unfiled) and have been avoiding opening those IRS letters too. It's good to know that the penalties might not be as bad as I'm imagining. Did you end up getting any penalty relief when you finally got compliant? I keep hearing about "first time penalty abatement" but I'm not sure if that applies when you haven't filed for multiple years.

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Mine showed no offset too but ended up having to verify my identity. Check if you got any letters in the mail

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haven't gotten any mail from them yet but ill keep checking

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No offset is definitely good news! It means your refund won't be reduced by any debts. The delay could be random review, missing W-2 matching, or just general processing backlog. When did you file? If it's been over 21 days, definitely call the IRS. Also check your bank account - sometimes refunds hit before WMR updates!

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This is super helpful! I filed about 3 weeks ago so I'm right at that 21 day mark. Haven't checked my bank account obsessively today yet but will definitely do that. Thanks for the tip about refunds sometimes hitting before WMR updates - didn't know that was possible!

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Has anyone dealt with the timing issue on these CP2000 notices? Mine says I need to respond within 30 days, but I need more time to gather all my medical receipts from 2021.

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Kara Yoshida

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You can absolutely request an extension! Call the number on your CP2000 notice and ask for additional time to respond. They'll typically grant you an extra 30 days without much hassle. Just make sure to request the extension before your current deadline expires.

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I went through almost the exact same situation with my 2021 HSA distributions! The IRS sent me a CP2000 showing I owed over $900 because they thought all my HSA withdrawals were taxable. Here's what I learned that might help you: 1. **Don't panic about the amount** - If your HSA distributions were truly for qualified medical expenses, you likely won't owe the full amount (or possibly anything at all). 2. **The "Tax on qualified plans" line** - This caught me off guard too. It's the additional 20% penalty the IRS thinks you owe for non-qualified HSA distributions. But again, if your expenses were qualified, this penalty doesn't apply. 3. **Documentation is key** - I gathered every medical receipt, EOB (Explanation of Benefits), and HSA statement from 2021. Even small expenses like co-pays and prescription costs count as qualified expenses. 4. **Response format** - Use the response form that came with your CP2000. Check the "disagree" box and attach a detailed letter explaining that the distributions were for qualified medical expenses, along with all your supporting documentation. The whole process took about 8 weeks for me, but the IRS eventually agreed with my documentation and I didn't owe anything. The key is being thorough and organized with your response. Good luck!

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Ravi Sharma

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you for sharing your experience! I'm curious about one thing - when you say "every medical receipt," did you include things like over-the-counter medications or dental work? I'm trying to figure out exactly what counts as "qualified medical expenses" since some of my HSA card usage was for things like contact solution and bandages from the pharmacy. Also, did you organize the receipts in any particular way when you sent them to the IRS, or just include everything in one big pile?

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Brady Clean

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This is exactly the kind of complex tax situation where having proper documentation from day one is crucial. I've seen too many businesses get into trouble with the IRS because they didn't establish clear policies upfront. A few additional considerations that might help: **Allocation Method**: Consider using a "days available" method to allocate costs. If the suite is available 365 days per year, but only used for entertainment 50-60 days, you might be able to argue that a larger portion should be treated as facility rental rather than entertainment. **Business Purpose Documentation**: Create a standard form for each suite usage that captures: date, attendees, business purpose, topics discussed, and outcomes. This becomes invaluable if you face an audit. **Separate the LLC's Books**: Make sure the LLC maintains separate books and records. Each member company should receive detailed K-1s showing their share of different types of expenses (facility rental vs. entertainment). **Consider Revenue Recognition**: Since you mentioned the LLC will have some revenue from reselling unused tickets, make sure you're properly accounting for this income and how it affects the overall deduction calculations. The fact that you're asking these questions upfront puts you way ahead of most businesses. Document everything, work with a qualified CPA, and you should be in good shape. The key is being able to demonstrate legitimate business purpose for the arrangement.

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This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! The "days available" allocation method is something I hadn't considered but makes a lot of sense for our situation. Since we have access Monday-Friday during business hours year-round, that's potentially 260+ days of pure business facility usage versus maybe 40-50 actual event days. One follow-up question - when you mention creating K-1s for each member company, does the LLC need to elect partnership taxation, or does this happen automatically? We haven't made any specific tax elections yet and I want to make sure we're set up correctly from the start. Also, for the business purpose documentation form you mentioned - is there a particular format or level of detail that works best for IRS scrutiny? I'd rather over-document than under-document at this point.

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Great questions! For the LLC tax election - if you don't make a specific election, a multi-member LLC is automatically treated as a partnership for federal tax purposes, so yes, you'll be issuing K-1s to each member company. This is actually what you want for this situation since it allows the pass-through treatment of the different expense categories. For the business purpose documentation, I'd suggest a simple form that captures: Date, Duration of business use, Attendees (name, company, role), Primary business purpose, Specific topics discussed, Follow-up actions/outcomes, and whether any entertainment component was involved. The IRS looks for contemporaneous records, so complete these same-day or next-day, not months later when preparing taxes. One more tip on the "days available" method - make sure your lease agreement supports this interpretation. If the lease specifically allocates costs to events vs. general facility access, that strengthens your position. If not, you might want to consider an amendment that clarifies the breakdown between facility rental and event access components. Also document any actual business meetings held in the suite on non-event days with agendas, attendee lists, and meeting minutes. This creates a paper trail showing legitimate business facility usage that's completely separate from any entertainment aspects.

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This thread has been incredibly helpful - thank you all for sharing your experiences! I'm seeing a pattern here that proper documentation and allocation methodology are absolutely critical for these suite arrangements. One thing I wanted to add that hasn't been mentioned yet: consider the optics and "reasonableness" test from the IRS perspective. Even if you follow all the technical rules perfectly, luxury suite expenses can still draw scrutiny simply because they seem excessive for smaller businesses. To strengthen your position, I'd recommend: 1. **Comparative Analysis**: Document that the suite arrangement is actually more cost-effective than alternatives (hotel meeting rooms, catering venues, etc.) when used for legitimate business meetings 2. **Industry Benchmarking**: If your industry commonly uses entertainment for client relations, document this as standard business practice 3. **Revenue Connection**: Track and document any actual business generated from suite usage - new clients, deals closed, partnerships formed, etc. 4. **Professional Appearance**: Make sure the suite usage supports your business image and client expectations in your industry The IRS will often challenge luxury expenses not just on technical grounds, but on whether they're "ordinary and necessary" for your specific business. Having a clear business case beyond just tax optimization will serve you well if questioned. Also, since you're in Michigan, be aware that the state may have different rules about what constitutes deductible entertainment expenses, especially if any of the member companies are professional services firms subject to additional restrictions.

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This is such a valuable point about the "reasonableness" and optics considerations! I've been so focused on the technical allocation rules that I hadn't really thought about how to justify the business necessity aspect. Your suggestion about comparative analysis is brilliant - we could actually document the cost per meeting/event compared to booking conference rooms at hotels or event venues. Given that we're splitting the suite cost among 6 companies, the per-use cost for legitimate business meetings might actually be quite reasonable. The industry benchmarking point is interesting too. In our case, several of the member companies are in professional services (accounting, law, consulting) where client entertainment is pretty standard practice. Would it help to document that our competitors or peer firms use similar arrangements? One question on the revenue connection tracking - how specific does this need to be? Like if we have a client meeting in the suite and then close a deal with that client 3 months later, is that too indirect of a connection to document as business benefit from the suite usage?

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