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Thanks everyone for all the helpful responses! I just tried entering my loss as "-24000" on the Free Fillable Forms and it worked perfectly. I must have been doing something wrong with the formatting before. To summarize what I learned from this thread: I definitely need to include both LLCs on Form 8995-A, with my profitable one showing $273k and the loss one as -$24k, giving me a net QBI of $249k for the deduction calculation. Since neither business is a specified service trade or business, I should be good to go. Really appreciate everyone taking the time to explain this - especially the clarification that losses from one qualified business must offset income from another. This makes total sense now, and I feel much more confident about getting this right on my return.
I'm glad you got it figured out! As someone who's still learning about all this tax stuff, it's really reassuring to see how this community comes together to help solve these complex issues. I have a small consulting business that I'm thinking of converting to an LLC, and reading through all these responses has given me a much better understanding of what I'll need to consider for QBI deductions. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and knowledge!
Just wanted to add another perspective as someone who went through this exact scenario last year. You're absolutely right to include both LLCs on Form 8995-A - I made the mistake of only reporting my profitable business initially and had to file an amended return. One thing that helped me was creating a simple spreadsheet to track all my QBI calculations before entering them into any tax software. I listed each business, their net income/loss, and then calculated the combined QBI. This way I could double-check my work and make sure I wasn't missing anything. Also, since you mentioned concerns about triggering an audit - properly reporting both businesses (including the loss) actually reduces your audit risk compared to only reporting the profitable one. The IRS expects to see consistency between your business tax filings and your personal return, so including both LLCs shows you're being thorough and accurate. Good luck with your filing! It sounds like you've got all the information you need now to handle this correctly.
This is exactly why I always insist on reviewing every single document before signing, even if it takes an extra 30 minutes. Tax preparers who use electronic signature systems often rush clients through multiple forms hoping they won't read the fine print. For your situation, I'd suggest taking screenshots of those text conversations where the $285 fee was agreed upon - that's your smoking gun evidence. The fact that he's gone radio silent after you questioned the discrepancy is a huge red flag and shows he knows he messed up. One thing that might help speed up resolution: many tax prep offices are franchises or work under larger companies. If this is the case, try contacting the corporate office or regional manager directly. They often have more authority to issue refunds quickly to avoid bigger problems, and they definitely don't want complaints going to the IRS or state agencies. Keep us posted on how this turns out - stories like yours help other people recognize these tactics before they get burned.
This is such great advice about reviewing everything carefully! I learned this lesson the hard way when I was younger and just signed whatever the preparer put in front of me. Now I take photos of every document with my phone before signing, especially if they're using electronic signatures. @Zara Khan - definitely take screenshots of those text messages like Amara suggested! That written agreement for $285 is solid proof. I ve'seen cases where preparers try to claim verbal agreements never happened, but text messages are hard to dispute. The fact that yours went silent after you showed the math is basically an admission of guilt in my book.
This situation is infuriating but unfortunately common. The good news is you have solid documentation with those text messages showing the agreed $285 fee - that's your strongest piece of evidence. From what you've described, it sounds like your preparer used what's called a "refund transfer" service where fees are deducted directly from your refund. This often includes hidden bank processing fees that many preparers don't properly disclose upfront. The fact that he's ignoring your messages now is a major red flag. Here's what I'd recommend: First, get a copy of your complete tax return if you don't have one already - look for any forms showing refund allocation or bank product authorizations. Then file a complaint with the IRS using Form 14157 (Complaint: Tax Return Preparer). You can also report this to your state's consumer protection agency since this falls under deceptive business practices. The IRS takes undisclosed fees very seriously, especially when there's clear documentation like your text conversations. Don't let this slide - preparers who pull these tricks are counting on people just accepting the loss and moving on.
I've been researching S Corp conversion for my consulting business and want to add a few hidden costs that haven't been mentioned yet: - Registered agent fees ($100-300/year in most states) if you don't want to use your home address - Business insurance premiums often increase for corporations vs sole props - Credit card processing fees sometimes have higher rates for corporate accounts - If you travel for business, corporate expense documentation requirements are much stricter One thing that really helped me was creating a spreadsheet comparing my current sole prop costs vs projected S Corp costs over 3 years. At $87K revenue like the OP, you're right at the borderline where it might not make sense initially, but could pay off as you grow. The key is being realistic about ALL the ongoing compliance costs, not just the obvious ones. Also worth noting - if you mess up the corporate formalities or payroll requirements, you can lose the tax benefits retroactively, which would be costly.
This is exactly the kind of detailed breakdown I was looking for! The registered agent fees and insurance premium increases are things I definitely hadn't considered. Your point about the 3-year projection spreadsheet is really smart - I've been looking at this too short-term. The comment about losing tax benefits retroactively if you mess up the formalities is honestly terrifying. Do you know how common that actually is? I'm pretty organized with my current business records, but the corporate requirements seem much more strict. At my income level, it sounds like I might be better off waiting another year or two until my revenue is more consistently in the six figures before making the jump. Thanks for the reality check on all those hidden costs!
Great question! I went through this exact decision last year for my freelance marketing business. Here are the real costs I encountered: **Setup costs:** - State filing fees: $125 (varies by state) - Registered agent: $199/year - EIN application: Free (do it yourself on IRS website) - Business bank account setup: $0 but higher monthly fees **Ongoing annual costs:** - Accountant for S Corp tax prep: $1,800 - Payroll service (including yourself): $960/year - State annual report: $50 - Workers comp insurance: $450 - Business license renewal: $200 **Hidden costs that surprised me:** - Had to upgrade my accounting software to handle payroll - Quarterly estimated tax payments became more complex - Time spent on corporate formalities (meeting minutes, resolutions) At $87K, you'd probably save around $3,500-4,000 in self-employment taxes annually, but your additional costs would be roughly $3,200-3,800. So you're looking at maybe $300-800 net benefit the first year, which honestly might not be worth the complexity until your income grows. The real benefits kick in as you scale past $100K. I'd suggest running the numbers with a CPA first - many will do a consultation for $200-300 to show you the exact projections for your situation.
Quick tip - save all your subscription receipts and take screenshots of the research they provide that you actually use for trades. I got audited last year and having this documentation saved me. The IRS questioned my trading subscription deductions specifically. Being able to show the direct connection between the research I paid for and actual trades I made based on that info was crucial. They wanted to see that the expense was "ordinary and necessary" for my trading activity.
This is great advice. Do you literally screenshot every research report you use? That seems like a ton of documentation to maintain. Is there a more efficient system you use?
Be very careful about the trading group deduction if you're dealing with crypto. The IRS has been extra scrutinous about crypto-related deductions lately, especially for subscription services that provide trading signals or research. I'd strongly recommend keeping detailed records of: 1. Every trade you made based on the group's research (with timestamps) 2. Screenshots or downloads of the specific research that influenced each trade 3. A trading journal documenting hours spent analyzing the group's research 4. Evidence that you're truly operating as a trader (regular income from trading, substantial time commitment, etc.) The $400/month subscription is substantial enough that it could trigger additional IRS attention if audited. Make sure you can demonstrate that this expense directly contributed to your trading profits and wasn't just general investment advice. Also consider consulting with a tax professional who specializes in trader tax status before filing. The rules around crypto trading classification are still evolving and you want to make sure you're positioning everything correctly from the start.
This is excellent advice about the documentation requirements for crypto trading deductions. I've been hesitant to claim my trading group subscriptions specifically because of the crypto component. One question - when you mention keeping records of trades based on the group's research, how granular do you need to get? For example, if the group provides general market analysis that influences my overall strategy rather than specific "buy XYZ coin now" signals, is that harder to document as a direct connection? I'm also curious about the trading journal aspect. Are there any specific formats or requirements the IRS expects for documenting time spent on research activities, or is a simple spreadsheet with dates/hours sufficient?
Emma Johnson
My employer does the exact same thing and I've been filing like this for 3 years now. Just enter both W-2s separately in TurboTax. The marketplace one won't increase your federal taxable income since those premiums are exempt from federal tax. The system knows how to handle it based on the fact that Box 2 (federal withholding) is empty. Make sure you're also getting your Form 1095-A from the marketplace. That's a separate form you'll need for the Premium Tax Credit portion of your return.
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Ravi Patel
ā¢This is really helpful thx! One question - do you happen to know if there's any income limit for this exemption? Like if you make over a certain amount does it become taxable?
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Isabella Santos
ā¢@Ravi Patel No, there s'no income limit for the federal tax exemption on employer-paid health insurance premiums. This exclusion applies regardless of your income level - it s'one of the few tax benefits that doesn t'phase out at higher incomes. The exemption is based on the nature of the benefit qualified (health coverage rather) than your earnings. However, keep in mind that if you re'a highly compensated employee generally (earning over $135,000 in 2024 ,)there might be some additional reporting requirements or limits on certain other pre-tax benefits, but the basic health insurance premium exclusion still applies.
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Maya Diaz
I just went through this exact situation last month! Your employer is required to issue that separate W-2 for marketplace premium payments because it's handled differently than regular group health insurance. The key thing to understand is that employer-paid health insurance premiums are excluded from federal taxable income under Section 106 of the tax code, but they're still subject to Social Security and Medicare taxes. That's why you see FICA withholdings but no federal tax withholding. When you enter this W-2 in TurboTax, it will automatically recognize the tax treatment based on the fact that Box 1 has wages but Box 2 is empty. The software won't add this amount to your federal taxable income. I was worried about the same thing - that it would get double-taxed - but TurboTax handles it correctly. Just make sure you enter it as a completely separate W-2 from your regular payroll W-2. Don't try to combine them or modify the amounts. Enter everything exactly as it appears on each form and let the software do its job.
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