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My brother didn't file for 3 years cuz he was "sure he didn't owe" and the IRS eventually caught up with him. They reconstructed what his income should have been based on third-party reporting and sent him a bill with penalties that was wayyyyyy more than if he'd just filed normally. Plus they almost went after him for tax evasion which is no joke. Just file your taxes people!!!
Do u have to file even if ur income is super low? Like I only made like $3k last year from my summer job. Nobody has ever told me I need to file with income that low.
For $3k from a summer job, you're probably not required to file since that's well below the $13,850 filing threshold for single filers that was mentioned earlier. However, you might actually want to file anyway because you probably had taxes withheld from your paychecks that you could get back as a refund! Check your W-2 - if there's anything in the "Federal income tax withheld" box, filing a return would get that money back to you. Plus if you're a student, there might be education credits you could claim. So even though you're not required to file, it could put money in your pocket.
Just to add to what everyone else has said - even if you're 100% certain you don't owe taxes, there are actually several good reasons to file anyway: 1. **You might be leaving money on the table** - Like others mentioned, you could qualify for refundable credits like the Earned Income Tax Credit or American Opportunity Tax Credit that actually give you money even if you didn't pay any taxes. 2. **Proof of income** - Having a filed tax return makes it way easier to apply for loans, apartments, financial aid, etc. Landlords and lenders often want to see your tax returns as proof of income. 3. **Social Security credits** - If you earned income but don't file, you might not get proper credit toward your Social Security benefits later in life. 4. **Peace of mind** - Filing eliminates any worry about whether the IRS will come knocking later. It's one less thing to stress about. The whole process is honestly not as bad as people make it out to be, especially if your situation is simple. And if you're owed a refund, you're basically giving the government a free loan by not filing. Why let them keep your money?
This is really helpful! I had no idea about the Social Security credits thing. I'm 22 and honestly haven't been thinking about retirement at all, but if not filing now could mess up my benefits decades from now, that's definitely something to consider. Also the proof of income point is spot on - I tried to get approved for a credit card last year and they wanted tax returns which I didn't have. Had to jump through a bunch of extra hoops to prove my income instead. Would've been so much easier if I'd just filed. One question though - if I file now but I'm super late (like we're talking months late), are there still penalties even if I don't owe anything? Or is it only penalties if you actually owe money?
Great question about late filing penalties! If you truly don't owe any taxes, there typically aren't penalties for filing late. The failure-to-file penalty is calculated as a percentage of unpaid taxes, so if your tax liability is zero, the penalty would also be zero. However, there are a couple of important caveats: 1. You have to actually not owe anything - if the IRS later determines you did owe taxes, those penalties would apply retroactively from the original due date 2. If you're owed a refund, you only have 3 years from the original due date to claim it, so don't wait too long! The Social Security credits point is huge and so many young people don't realize this. Every year you don't properly report your earnings is potentially a year that doesn't count toward your 40 quarters needed for Social Security benefits. Since you need those credits to qualify for benefits later, it's definitely worth filing even for relatively small amounts of income. And yeah, having those tax returns on file makes so many financial processes smoother down the road!
I was in the exact same situation last year! As an independent contractor doing gig work, I spent way too much time worrying about Line 20 when it turned out I didn't need it at all. Here's what I learned: since you're doing Uber and delivery work as an independent contractor, pretty much all your work-related expenses (car expenses, phone, delivery equipment, etc.) go on Schedule C, not anywhere on Schedule 1. Your W-2 income just goes directly on your main 1040 form. Line 20 of Schedule 1 is really just for weird, uncommon situations that don't have their own specific lines - things like jury duty pay you had to give back to your employer, certain performing artist expenses, or repayment of unemployment benefits. For regular folks like us doing gig work, it's almost always going to be blank. Don't overthink it! If you don't have one of those unusual situations (and most people don't), just leave Line 20 empty and focus on getting your Schedule C filled out correctly. That's where your real deductions are going to be anyway, and they're actually more valuable there since they reduce your business income before it gets taxed. The tax forms seem super complicated at first, but once you realize that most lines don't apply to your specific situation, it gets much easier. You've got this!
This thread has been incredibly helpful! As someone new to doing my own taxes, I was really intimidated by all these different schedules and forms. Your explanation about Line 20 being for unusual situations really puts my mind at ease. I don't have any of those weird scenarios like jury duty pay or performing artist expenses, so it sounds like I can just focus on my Schedule C for my part-time freelance work and not worry about Line 20 at all. It's reassuring to know that the tax system is actually designed so that common situations like ours have clear places for everything, and Line 20 is just there as a catch-all for the rare stuff. Thanks for sharing your experience - it really helps to hear from someone who went through the same confusion!
I completely understand your confusion! Line 20 of Schedule 1 is definitely one of those areas that trips people up when they're doing their own taxes for the first time. Since you're an Uber driver and delivery person with a W-2 job, here's the good news: you'll probably leave Line 20 blank. Your gig work expenses (car costs, phone bills, delivery bags, etc.) all belong on Schedule C as business deductions, which is actually better for you since they reduce your business income directly. Line 20 is really a catch-all for unusual situations like: - Jury duty pay you had to return to your employer - Certain performing artist expenses - Repayment of previously reported income - Some very specific professional expenses for certain occupations For most independent contractors like yourself, these situations don't apply. Your Schedule C will handle all your business-related deductions, and your W-2 income goes directly on Form 1040. Don't stress about trying to find something to put on Line 20 - if you don't have one of those rare situations, it should be $0 or blank. Focus your energy on making sure your Schedule C is accurate, as that's where your real tax savings will come from. The IRS designed the forms so that common situations like yours have clear places for everything!
This is such a clear and reassuring explanation! I was definitely overthinking Line 20 and worried I was missing some important deduction. Your point about Schedule C being better for business expenses makes total sense - I'd rather have those deductions reduce my business income directly anyway. I don't have any of those unusual situations you mentioned (no jury duty, not a performing artist, etc.), so I'll just leave Line 20 blank and focus on getting my Schedule C right. It's really helpful to know that the tax system is actually designed to handle common situations like mine in straightforward ways. Thanks for taking the time to break this down so clearly!
Has anyone tried Lacerte for trust returns? My accountant uses it for our more complicated partnership returns, and I was thinking about getting it for the trust returns I prepare personally.
I used Lacerte for several years when I was preparing returns for our family office. It's extremely powerful, but might be overkill unless your trusts have very complex investments or business interests. The price point is pretty high too - last I checked it was over $600 for the trust module alone.
Thanks for the insight. That price is definitely higher than I was hoping to pay. Our trusts are relatively straightforward with mainly dividend and interest income, so sounds like it would be overkill for my needs.
I've been using UltraTax CS for my family trust returns for the past 3 years and it's been solid. It's definitely more expensive than consumer software (around $500-600 annually), but the reliability has been worth it after dealing with similar issues you described with H&R Block. What I really appreciate is how it handles the flow-through calculations from the 1041 to the K-1s automatically, and it has excellent error checking that catches common trust return mistakes before you file. The interface takes some getting used to if you're coming from consumer software, but their support team actually knows trust taxation rules, which has been helpful when I've had questions about distribution deduction calculations. One thing to note - they require you to maintain the subscription annually even if you only file during tax season, so factor that into your cost comparison. But given your bad experience with H&R Block's reliability issues, it might be worth the peace of mind to use something designed for professional preparers.
Thanks for the detailed review of UltraTax CS! The automatic flow-through calculations sound really appealing - that's exactly the kind of feature I need to avoid the manual errors I've been making with my current setup. Quick question about the subscription model you mentioned - do they offer any kind of trial period or demo version? I'd hate to commit to a full year subscription without being able to test how well it handles my specific trust situations first. Also, when you say their support team knows trust taxation, have you actually had to contact them about complex distribution scenarios? The price point is definitely higher than I was hoping, but if it prevents the kind of last-minute software crashes I dealt with last year, it might be worth the investment.
As a newcomer to this community, I find this discussion incredibly valuable! I'm dealing with a similar situation with my physical therapy practice where we offer regenerative treatments to several professional and semi-professional athletes. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the importance of establishing a clear treatment protocol that distinguishes between medical necessity and performance enhancement. The IRS tends to scrutinize expenses that could be viewed as elective or cosmetic, so having documentation that shows the regenerative therapy was medically necessary to address a specific injury (rather than just general performance optimization) is crucial. Also, I'd recommend keeping detailed records of any alternative treatments that were considered and why they were rejected in favor of the regenerative approach. If surgery would have meant 6-8 months of lost income versus 2-3 months with stem cell therapy, that economic justification strengthens the business expense argument significantly. Has anyone encountered situations where the IRS challenged these deductions specifically on the grounds that the treatment was "experimental" or not FDA-approved? I'm curious how that factor might impact the business expense classification.
@Giovanni Gallo That s'a really important point about the FDA approval status! I haven t'personally encountered an audit where that was the primary challenge, but I imagine it could complicate things. From what I understand, the IRS generally focuses more on whether an expense is ordinary "and necessary for" the business rather than whether the specific treatment is FDA-approved. However, having a licensed physician recommend the treatment and being able to show it s'an accepted practice in sports medicine would probably help address any concerns about it being too experimental. Your point about documenting the economic justification is spot-on. I think creating a clear comparison showing lost income from traditional treatment versus the regenerative approach could be one of the strongest pieces of evidence for the business necessity. Do you typically provide this kind of economic analysis documentation to your athlete patients for their tax purposes? Also, as someone in the field, do you have any insights on how to best structure the medical documentation to support the business expense classification? I m'wondering if there are specific medical terms or classifications that strengthen the case.
As a newcomer to this community, I'm finding this discussion incredibly insightful! I'm a tax preparer who recently started working with more clients in the sports and entertainment industry, and this thread has been like a masterclass in handling these specialized deductions. One question I haven't seen addressed yet: how do you handle situations where the athlete has both team insurance and personal insurance, but neither covers the regenerative treatment? I'm wondering if there's any additional documentation value in showing that multiple insurance sources reviewed and denied coverage, which could strengthen the argument that the athlete had to seek alternative treatment options for legitimate business reasons. Also, for those who have successfully claimed these deductions, do you recommend keeping any specific documentation about the facility or provider who performed the treatment? I'm thinking things like their credentials, whether they specialize in sports medicine, or if they have other professional athletes as patients. It seems like establishing the provider's legitimacy in treating performance-related injuries could be another piece of supporting evidence. The economic impact analysis mentioned by @Giovanni Gallo really resonates with me - I'm definitely going to start incorporating that approach for my athlete clients. Thank you all for sharing your expertise!
Jace Caspullo
Have you considered using tax software instead? I have a small business (LLC) and two rental properties, and I use TurboTax Business. It costs me under $200 all in. Since you're already a CPA with Big4 experience, you probably have enough knowledge to handle it yourself and save thousands.
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Melody Miles
ā¢This is terrible advice for someone with a medical practice S-corp and multiple properties. The tax code complexity and audit risk are significantly higher than for a simple LLC. DIY software might miss specialized deductions, credits, or compliance requirements that would cost far more than professional preparation fees.
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Jace Caspullo
ā¢I appreciate your perspective, but I've been doing this successfully for 7 years with no issues. My situation is actually quite complex with multiple state filings and specialized business deductions. You're right that a medical practice S-corp has additional considerations, but someone with Big4 accounting experience likely has the knowledge to navigate those issues. I wasn't suggesting this approach for everyone, just offering an alternative given the OP's professional background. The potential savings of $5,000+ annually might be worth considering, especially since they're already doing most of the accounting work.
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Zoe Gonzalez
As someone who's been through similar fee discussions with my CPA, I'd suggest requesting a detailed engagement letter for next year that breaks down exactly what services are included in each fee component. The $1,500 "accounting work" charge is definitely worth questioning given your background and record-keeping quality. When I pushed back on similar charges, my CPA admitted they had automatically included certain review procedures that weren't necessary for my well-maintained books. For comparison, I have a professional services S-corp and two rental properties in a major metropolitan area, and I pay $1,200 for the business return and $2,200 for personal. The key difference might be that I established clear boundaries upfront about what accounting work I handle versus what they do. Consider asking them to walk through their specific value-add beyond basic compliance. Sometimes CPAs get into a routine of charging standard fees without considering the client's sophistication level. Given your Big4 background, you might be paying for services you don't actually need.
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Nia Thompson
ā¢This is really helpful advice about the engagement letter approach. I'm curious - when you established those boundaries about what accounting work you handle versus what they do, did you put that in writing? I want to make sure there's no confusion next year about what services I'm actually paying for. Also, did your CPA pushback at all when you questioned the standard fees, or were they pretty understanding once you explained your background?
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