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Ava Martinez

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This whole thread has been incredibly educational! I work as a tax preparer and see this exact confusion every single year with Fidelity forms. You're absolutely right that "FIDELITY INVESTMENTS" is the correct payer name to use. What I always tell my clients is that these large financial institutions often have multiple subsidiary names for different divisions, but they report to the IRS under their main corporate entity. The "Institutional Operations Co." designation is just Fidelity's internal organizational structure - it's not what matters for tax reporting purposes. The EIN is indeed the critical matching element. I've seen clients stress over whether to include periods, commas, or specific formatting in company names, but I've never had a return rejected or delayed due to minor payer name variations as long as the EIN and dollar amounts are correct. For anyone else dealing with similar situations with other brokerages - Vanguard, Schwab, etc. - the same principle applies. Use the main company name that most people would recognize, and make sure that EIN is entered perfectly. The tax software dropdown menus are your friend here since they're designed to match IRS expectations.

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Aisha Rahman

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This is exactly the kind of professional insight this community needs! As someone who was completely overwhelmed by this seemingly simple question, it's so reassuring to hear from an actual tax preparer who deals with this issue regularly. Your explanation about subsidiary names vs. main corporate entities makes perfect sense and really helps clarify why these forms can be so confusing for regular taxpayers. I had no idea that "Institutional Operations Co." was just an internal organizational designation rather than something that needed to be reflected in tax filings. The point about tax software dropdown menus being designed to match IRS expectations is particularly helpful. I think a lot of us don't realize how much thought goes into those seemingly simple features. It's good to know that we can trust those automated suggestions rather than second-guessing ourselves. Thanks for sharing your professional perspective - it really helps put all of this in context and gives me confidence that I'm not going to accidentally mess up my return over payer name formatting!

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Zara Mirza

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As someone who just went through this exact same situation last week, I can confirm that using "FIDELITY INVESTMENTS" is absolutely the right approach! I had the same confusing form with the "Institutional Operations Co." designation and spent way too much time overthinking it. What really helped me was calling FreeTaxUSA's support line directly. They confirmed that their dropdown menu uses "Fidelity Investments" specifically because that's how Fidelity reports to the IRS. The support rep also mentioned that their software is updated annually to match the most current IRS payer databases. I filed my return using "FIDELITY INVESTMENTS" and got my refund deposited exactly when they estimated - no delays or issues whatsoever. The EIN matched perfectly and that's really all the IRS cares about for their automated matching system. For anyone still worried about this, I'd definitely recommend using the dropdown option in your tax software if it's available. These companies spend a lot of resources making sure their payer databases are accurate because return rejections cost them support time and customer satisfaction. Hope this helps put some minds at ease! This thread has been so helpful for understanding how the IRS matching process actually works behind the scenes.

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NeonNinja

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This has been such a helpful discussion! I'm dealing with a similar situation where a religious organization in my area owns multiple properties that appear to be operating as standard rental units, and I wasn't sure how to approach it without seeming confrontational. The step-by-step approach outlined here is perfect - starting with public records requests to see the actual exemption documentation, then following up appropriately based on what's found. I particularly appreciate the point about framing inquiries as seeking information rather than making accusations. One thing I'm wondering about: if a church does turn out to be improperly claiming exemptions, what typically happens with back taxes? Do they just start paying going forward, or are they required to pay retroactively for the years they should have been paying? I imagine this could add up to quite a significant amount depending on how long the improper exemption has been in place. Also, for anyone who's been through this process, how long does a typical assessment review take once the county starts investigating? I want to set appropriate expectations for how long this might take to resolve.

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Luca Ricci

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Great questions about the practical outcomes! From what I've seen, back tax liability really depends on your state's laws and how the assessor's office handles these situations. Some jurisdictions will assess back taxes for several years (typically 3-5 years is common), while others might only require going forward compliance if the violation appears to be an honest mistake. The amount can definitely be substantial - property taxes on rental properties can be thousands per year, so multiply that by several properties over multiple years and you're looking at potentially tens of thousands in back taxes plus interest and penalties. As for timeline, assessment reviews can vary widely. Simple cases where the documentation clearly shows improper exemption might be resolved in 30-60 days. More complex cases, especially if the organization disputes the findings, can drag on for 6 months or more. If there are appeals involved, it could take even longer. One thing to keep in mind is that most counties prioritize these cases based on the potential tax revenue at stake. Properties with higher assessed values or longer periods of improper exemption typically get faster attention than smaller cases. The key is having solid documentation when you make your initial inquiry - it helps move things along more quickly.

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Ryder Greene

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This thread has been incredibly informative! I'm dealing with a similar situation in my area where a church from another state owns several residential properties that are clearly being used as regular rentals, not for any religious purpose. What really helped me understand the issue was learning about the distinction between ownership and use for tax exemption purposes. Just because a religious organization owns property doesn't automatically make it tax-exempt - the property has to actually be used for religious, educational, or charitable purposes. The systematic approach outlined here is perfect: start with public records requests to get the exemption documentation, then follow up with diplomatic inquiries based on what you find. I submitted my records request last week and should hear back soon. It's much better to have the actual paperwork in hand before making any inquiries. One thing I discovered in researching my state's laws is that many jurisdictions have annual deadlines for churches to file updated exemption applications if their property use changes. Missing these deadlines can result in automatic loss of exemption status, which might explain some of these situations. It could be administrative oversight rather than intentional abuse. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and practical advice - it's made what seemed like an intimidating process much more manageable!

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This is exactly the kind of situation that needs attention! I'm new to this community but have been researching similar issues in my area. The point about annual filing deadlines is really important - I discovered that in my state, religious organizations have to file exemption renewals every three years, and many seem to be unaware of this requirement. What I found particularly striking about your situation is the out-of-state church ownership. That seems like a red flag since most exemption laws require some legitimate connection to the local community. A church from another state owning rental properties locally with no apparent religious use really raises questions about whether they ever qualified for exemption in the first place. I'm curious what you find when you get your records back. In my preliminary research, I've noticed that some of these situations involve properties that were purchased years ago with legitimate exemption applications, but the use gradually shifted to commercial rentals without anyone updating the county. It's good that you're taking the diplomatic approach - starting with facts rather than accusations is definitely the right way to handle this. Keep us posted on what the records reveal! Your case might help others in similar situations understand what to look for in the documentation.

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I think most people misunderstand REPS. The key issue is "material participation" in rental activities. Being a realtor counts for the 750 hours but NOT for material participation in your rentals. The exception is if you make a grouping election as others mentioned. Your CPA should know this but many don't understand real estate tax rules well. Just FYI - I got audited on this exact issue in 2023. The IRS was looking specifically at REPS claims. Make sure you have a detailed time log showing hours for EACH activity. After-the-fact estimates won't cut it in an audit.

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StarSurfer

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Which form do you use to make the grouping election? Is it something specific or just a statement attached to your return?

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Brian Downey

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Based on my experience dealing with REPS qualifications, your tax preparer may be being overly conservative. As a full-time realtor, you likely already meet the first two REPS requirements (750+ hours and 50%+ of working time in real estate). The critical piece is making the grouping election to treat all your rental activities as one activity. This election is made by attaching a statement to your tax return - there's no specific IRS form for it. The statement should clearly indicate you're electing to group all rental real estate activities under IRC Section 469(c)(7)(A). With this election, you can combine your time spent on the 3 self-managed properties with time spent overseeing the other 15 properties (reviewing reports, making decisions, communicating with property managers, etc.) to meet the material participation test. I'd recommend getting a second opinion from a CPA who specializes in real estate taxation. Many general tax preparers aren't familiar with the nuances of REPS, especially the grouping election strategy. The potential tax savings make it worth exploring further. Also, start keeping detailed time logs NOW for 2025 - document every hour spent on rental activities, no matter how small. This contemporaneous documentation is crucial if you're ever audited.

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Mason Stone

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This is really helpful information! I'm in a similar situation as the original poster - working as a realtor but also have some rental properties. One thing I'm still unclear on though: when you make the grouping election, does that election apply permanently going forward, or can you make it year by year? Also, if you group all your rental activities together, are there any downsides to doing this election that people should be aware of before making this decision?

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I'm dealing with a similar situation with my grandmother's trust audit, and I found that getting documentation from the original attorney who drafted the trust was incredibly helpful. The attorney was able to provide a letter explaining the specific provisions that made it qualify as a grantor trust under IRC 671-679. If the original attorney isn't available, consider having another estate attorney review the trust document. They can provide a written opinion on whether it properly qualifies as a grantor trust during the audit period. This kind of professional documentation carries a lot of weight with IRS agents and can prevent you from having to argue the technical details yourself. Also, don't forget that you have the right to request a different agent if the current one seems unfamiliar with grantor trust rules. Sometimes a fresh perspective from another agent who specializes in trust matters can resolve the issue quickly.

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Jacob Lewis

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That's really smart advice about getting documentation from the original attorney! I hadn't thought about requesting a different agent either - that could definitely help if the current one isn't familiar with grantor trust regulations. I'm wondering though, if we do end up needing to get an attorney's opinion on the trust document, would that opinion letter also help clarify what needs to happen going forward now that my mother-in-law has passed? It seems like there might be two separate issues here - whether an EIN was required during the audit period (2022) and whether we need one now for future filings.

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You're absolutely right to be concerned about this EIN request during the audit. I went through something very similar with my late husband's trust audit two years ago, and the key is understanding the timing distinction. For the 2022 tax year when your mother-in-law was alive, if the trust properly qualified as a grantor trust, it should have been using her SSN - not an EIN. The IRS agent may be confused about the requirements or applying current post-death rules to the historical audit period. I'd recommend preparing a clear timeline showing: (1) During 2022, mother-in-law was alive and the trust was a grantor trust using her SSN, (2) After her death, the trust status changed and may now require an EIN going forward. These are two separate tax periods with different requirements. Consider requesting to speak with the agent's supervisor if they continue to insist on an EIN for the 2022 audit period. In my experience, supervisors tend to be more familiar with the nuanced grantor trust regulations. Also, document everything in writing - send a follow-up email after any phone conversations summarizing what was discussed and your position. The most important thing is not to let them pressure you into getting an EIN just to move the audit along if it wasn't required for that tax year. That could create unnecessary complications for future filings.

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This is exactly the kind of clear, structured approach I needed! Your timeline idea makes perfect sense - separating the 2022 audit period (when mother-in-law was alive) from the current post-death requirements. I'm definitely going to document everything in writing like you suggested. It sounds like having that paper trail could be crucial if we need to escalate to a supervisor or if there are any disputes later about what was discussed. One quick question - when you requested to speak with the supervisor in your situation, did you have to provide specific reasons for the request, or could you simply ask for escalation because you disagreed with the agent's interpretation of the grantor trust rules?

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Micah Trail

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You can absolutely request to speak with a supervisor without having to provide elaborate justification. In my case, I simply told the agent that I disagreed with their interpretation of the grantor trust requirements for the audit period and would like to discuss the matter with their supervisor who might have more experience with these types of trust tax issues. The agent was actually quite professional about it and scheduled a call with the supervisor for the following week. The supervisor was much more knowledgeable about the timing distinctions and quickly understood that the 2022 audit period had different requirements than the current post-death situation. I think the key is to be respectful but firm - something like "I'd like to request a supervisor review of this EIN requirement since I believe there may be a misunderstanding about the applicable regulations for the tax year under audit." Having your documentation ready (trust documents, relevant tax code citations, timeline) will make the conversation much more productive when you do get to speak with the supervisor.

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Ava Thompson

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I made the switch from an expensive CPA to H&R Block last year for my small consulting business and it was definitely worth it. My old accountant was charging me $800+ for what felt like 20 minutes of work since I had everything organized in QuickBooks. The key is finding the right location and preparer. I called three different H&R Block offices and asked specifically about their small business experience before booking. The one I ended up using had a senior tax professional who'd been doing small business returns for over a decade. Total cost was $320 for my Schedule C return vs the $800+ I was paying before. She caught a few deductions my previous accountant had missed (like some home office expenses) and explained everything clearly. The audit protection gave me peace of mind too. My advice: call ahead, ask for their most experienced small business preparer, and bring your QuickBooks P&L and expense reports printed and organized. If your business is straightforward, you'll likely save a ton of money without sacrificing quality.

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This is really helpful, thanks! Did you notice any difference in how they handled business deductions compared to your CPA? I'm especially curious about things like equipment depreciation and business travel expenses - my current accountant seems to be overly conservative with those.

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I switched from a $750-per-return CPA to H&R Block two years ago for my small marketing business and honestly wish I'd done it sooner. My situation sounds similar to yours - I keep everything meticulously organized in QuickBooks, so I was basically paying premium prices for data entry. The H&R Block preparer I work with now is fantastic. She's been doing small business returns for 15+ years and actually found some deductions my expensive CPA had been missing (like software subscriptions and professional development courses). Cost dropped to about $285 for my Schedule C return. One thing I learned: don't just walk into any H&R Block. I called around and specifically asked which locations had the most experienced small business preparers. Made appointments at two different offices to interview them first. The difference in knowledge was night and day. Since you're already organized with QuickBooks, you're in a great position to make this work. The key is finding the right preparer who understands small business deductions and isn't afraid to be appropriately aggressive (within legal limits, of course). Your current accountant charging $600 per form sounds absolutely ridiculous for a small operation.

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This is exactly the kind of real-world experience I was looking for! The idea of interviewing preparers at different locations is brilliant - I never would have thought to do that. Did you find that the more experienced preparers were harder to get appointments with, or were they generally available? Also, when you say "appropriately aggressive" with deductions, can you give an example of something your new preparer claimed that your CPA wouldn't touch? I'm trying to get a sense of whether I'm potentially leaving money on the table with my overly cautious current accountant.

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