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Mite help to understand WHY basis matters for inherited IRAs. Traditional IRA contributions r usually tax-deductible (pre-tax $$$), so distributions r fully taxable. But if the original owner ever made NON-deductible contributions (after-tax $$$), those amounts shouldnt be taxed again when distributed. The non-deductible portion = "basis". When u inherit, u inherit their basis proportionally. So if 10% of their IRA was basis, 10% of each distribution u take is tax-free.
Not to be that person, but I think there's also a special rule for spouse beneficiaries vs non-spouse beneficiaries, right? Like if you inherit from your spouse you can treat it differently than from another relative?
This is such a helpful thread! I'm dealing with a similar situation with my grandmother's IRA that I inherited last month. Reading through everyone's explanations finally made the "basis" concept click for me. One thing I learned from my tax preparer that might help others: even if you can't find complete documentation about nondeductible contributions, the IRA custodian (like Fidelity, Vanguard, etc.) sometimes has better records than you'd expect. When I called Schwab about my grandmother's account, they were able to pull up contribution records going back 15 years showing which deposits were marked as nondeductible. They couldn't go back to the very beginning of her account from the 1980s, but they had enough info to establish that she'd been making regular nondeductible contributions since 2009 when her income got too high for deductible contributions. This saved me from having to assume everything was taxable. Worth making that call to the custodian before you give up on finding basis information!
Just wanted to add something important that might affect your decision between superseded vs amended - if you're doing the backdoor Roth conversion, you'll need to report both the recharacterization AND the conversion on your return using Forms 8606 and possibly 1099-R reporting. A superseded return might be cleaner here because you can report everything as one cohesive filing rather than having the original return show incorrect Roth contributions and then an amendment trying to explain the backdoor process. The IRS matching systems sometimes flag discrepancies between what custodians report (via 1099-R forms) and what's on your return, so having everything properly aligned from the start could save you from getting automated notices later. Also, since you mentioned you already got your refund - if the backdoor Roth process changes your tax liability, you might owe additional taxes or be entitled to a larger refund. With a superseded return, this gets calculated fresh. With an amended return, you're working off the original calculation which can sometimes make the forms more complicated to fill out correctly. Whatever route you choose, make sure your tax pro has experience with backdoor Roth reporting - it's one of those areas where small mistakes can create big headaches with the IRS later!
This is exactly the kind of detailed insight I was hoping for! The point about IRS matching systems flagging discrepancies between custodian reports and tax returns is something I hadn't even considered. That alone makes me lean toward the superseded return if I'm still within the deadline. Quick follow-up question - when you mention the backdoor Roth process potentially changing tax liability, are you referring to the pro-rata rule if someone has existing traditional IRA balances? I think I'm clean on that front since we don't have any other IRAs, but want to make sure I'm not missing something else that could affect the tax calculation. Also really appreciate the warning about making sure whoever I hire has specific experience with backdoor Roth reporting. Sounds like this is definitely not the time to go with the cheapest option!
Just went through this exact situation a few months ago! One thing that really helped me decide was understanding that if you've already received your refund and are still before the filing deadline, you CAN file a superseded return, but you'll need to include payment for any refund amount that needs to be returned based on your corrected calculations. In my case, the backdoor Roth conversion actually increased my tax liability slightly (due to some Traditional IRA balances I had forgotten about triggering the pro-rata rule), so I had to send in additional payment with my superseded return. My tax preparer said this is pretty common and the IRS handles it routinely. The key advantage I found with the superseded approach was exactly what Carmen mentioned - cleaner reporting of the recharacterization and conversion transactions. When everything is reported correctly from the start, there's less chance of getting those automated CP2000 notices later when the IRS computers try to match up your 1099-R forms from your IRA custodian. One tip: make sure to keep detailed records of all the dates when your recharacterization and conversion transactions actually settled. The IRS wants to see that everything happened in the correct order and timeframe, especially if you're doing this process after initially filing your return.
This is super helpful, especially the point about potentially owing additional payment with a superseded return if your tax liability increases. I hadn't thought about how the pro-rata rule could come into play - that's exactly the kind of complexity that makes me realize I definitely need professional help with this. Quick question about the timing you mentioned - when you say you need to keep records of when the recharacterization and conversion transactions "settled," are you referring to the trade date or the settlement date? My IRA custodian shows both dates on their statements and I want to make sure I'm documenting the right ones for the IRS. Also, did you have any issues with your custodian processing both transactions quickly enough to get everything done before you filed your superseded return? I'm worried about running up against the deadline while waiting for the transactions to complete.
Has anyone noticed that the IRS Free Fillable Forms are missing some forms and worksheets? That might be why your refund calculated differently. I had the same thing happen with education credits - the free fillable forms didn't have all the worksheets that TurboTax walked me through.
Yep, happened to me too. Free Fillable Forms is super basic. It doesn't actually help you find deductions or credits you qualify for - it just gives you the forms. Software like TurboTax or H&R Block asks you questions to determine what you might have missed.
That makes total sense. I guess you really do get what you pay for with the free option. I still use it for simple returns but whenever my tax situation gets even slightly complicated I switch to paid software. The difference in refund amount usually pays for the software anyway!
This is a really common situation, and you're right to be concerned about filing twice! The IRS systems will definitely catch duplicate returns and it can create unnecessary delays and complications. Since you've already submitted your first return, your best bet is to file an amended return (Form 1040-X) rather than submitting a completely new return. The amended return is specifically designed for situations like yours where you need to correct errors or add missing information. Before you do anything though, I'd strongly recommend figuring out exactly WHY there's such a big difference between the two calculations. Was it missing deductions, different filing status, forgotten tax credits, or something else? Understanding this will help you complete the amended return correctly and avoid similar issues in the future. The good news is that filing an amended return is straightforward - you just need to explain what changed and provide the correct information. It takes longer to process (usually 16+ weeks), but it's the proper way to handle this situation without creating red flags on your account.
This is really helpful advice! I'm curious though - when you file the amended return, do you need to wait for the IRS to finish processing your original return first? Or can you submit the 1040-X right away even if your original return is still being processed? I'm worried about timing this wrong and making the situation even more complicated.
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm also considering switching from sole prop to QJV with my spouse. One question I haven't seen addressed - if we make the switch to QJV, do we need to get a new EIN or can we keep using the existing one from the sole proprietorship? Also, how does this affect any business licenses or permits we currently have under the sole prop structure? I'm worried about having to re-apply for everything or notify various agencies about the change.
Great question! For the EIN, you can actually keep using the existing one from your sole proprietorship when you switch to a QJV. The IRS doesn't require a new EIN for this change since you're still the same business entity, just with different tax filing requirements. However, for business licenses and permits, it depends on your state and local requirements. Some jurisdictions may require you to update your business registration to reflect both spouses as owners, while others might not care about the internal ownership structure. I'd recommend checking with your state's business registration office and any licensing boards for your specific industry. You might need to file amendments to show both spouses, but you typically won't have to start the licensing process from scratch. It's definitely worth making a list of all your current licenses, permits, and registrations (business license, professional licenses, sales tax permits, etc.) and checking the requirements for each one. Most can be updated with a simple amendment rather than a full re-application.
This has been such an informative discussion! I'm a tax preparer and wanted to add a few practical tips for anyone making the QJV switch. First, timing-wise, if you're switching mid-year, pick a clear date (like the first of a month) and document it well. This makes the math much cleaner when you're splitting income and expenses between your individual Schedule Cs. Second, regarding the employee children - this is actually one of the nice benefits of a QJV. Both parents can claim the wages paid to your sons as business deductions on their respective Schedule Cs, and the kids still get all the same employment protections and benefits they had before. One thing to watch out for: make sure you're both genuinely involved in business decisions and operations. The IRS wants to see that this isn't just a paper arrangement to split income. Keep records of meetings you have together, emails about business decisions, and document how you divide responsibilities. Also, don't forget that both spouses will now need to make quarterly estimated tax payments if you're not having enough withheld elsewhere. The self-employment tax piece that someone mentioned earlier is real - both of you will pay SE tax on your respective shares, but you'll also both be earning Social Security credits.
This is exactly the kind of detailed guidance I was hoping to find! As someone new to understanding QJVs, your point about documenting genuine involvement is really important. I'm curious though - what constitutes "genuine involvement" in the IRS's eyes? Like, if one spouse handles more of the day-to-day operations while the other focuses on bookkeeping and client relationships, is that still considered material participation for both? And regarding the quarterly estimated payments, do we each calculate and pay separately, or is there a way to coordinate our payments since we're filing jointly for income tax purposes?
Natasha Volkova
This appears to be a CP2000 Proposed Adjustment Notice or similar correspondence. These notices typically involve a discrepancy between income reported on your return versus information the IRS received from third parties. The processing timeframe after acceptance varies based on current IRS backlog status and submission method. Electronic submission via the IRS portal generally results in faster processing (6-12 weeks) compared to mail submission (12-16 weeks).
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Javier Torres
ā¢I submitted my signed form on March 23rd and still haven't received my refund. Is there a specific date when I should start to worry? I'm planning my summer expenses around this refund.
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Emma Davis
ā¢I analyzed the IRS processing patterns for these adjustment responses using data from various forums. The mean processing time for electronic submissions is 8.3 weeks with a standard deviation of 2.4 weeks. Mail submissions show significantly higher variance with processing times ranging from 10-20 weeks. Authentication protocols for these submissions require multi-stage verification, which contributes to the extended timeline.
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Zainab Khalil
I went through this exact process about 18 months ago with a CP2000 notice. Here's what I learned: definitely use the upload option through the IRS website - it's much faster than mail. I submitted mine electronically and got my adjusted refund in about 7 weeks. Make sure to take screenshots of your submission confirmation and save any reference numbers they give you. Also, set up online account access at irs.gov if you haven't already so you can monitor your account transcript for updates. The transcript will show processing codes that indicate where your case stands in the system. One tip: if you're uploading, make sure your signature is clear and the document quality is good - poor scans can cause delays.
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