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I work in payroll and just want to add: if your second job didn't issue a W-2, they likely didn't report anything to the IRS about you for that tax year. Companies only generate W-2s when there's reportable income or withholding. If you were just "on the books" as an employee but never got paid, there's nothing to report from either side.
Thanks for your insight from the payroll perspective! That makes me feel better. One quick follow-up - if I filled out a W-4 for that second job but never actually worked, would that still be in the system somewhere that the IRS could see?
A W-4 is just an internal document that employers use to calculate withholding. It isn't sent to the IRS, so there's no record of it in the IRS system. The IRS only receives information when income is actually paid to you and reported on forms like W-2s or 1099s. Even if you filled out all the new hire paperwork including I-9, direct deposit forms, and a W-4, if no wages were ever paid, the IRS has no visibility into that employment relationship. Your employer keeps those documents for their records, but nothing gets transmitted to the IRS without actual compensation being paid.
This happened to me last year. Called my second employer just to check and they confirmed they didn't file anything with IRS since I earned $0. But I screenshot our email convo just in case there was ever an audit question. Better safe than sorry!
Smart move getting it in writing. Did you keep that documentation with your tax records? I'm wondering how long I should hang onto stuff like this.
Yes, I kept the email with my tax records for that year. The IRS generally recommends keeping tax records for at least 3 years after filing (or 2 years from when you paid the tax, whichever is later). For situations like this where there's potential confusion about employment status, I'd keep the documentation for the full 3 years just to be safe. It takes up virtually no space as a digital file, and having that employer confirmation could save you headaches if any questions ever come up during an audit.
Question for anyone who knows - I use a tip tracking app on my phone. Is there a way to use that instead of Form 4070? My manager said they'd accept reports from the app but I don't know if that's actually okay with the IRS.
Yes, the IRS allows electronic tip reporting systems as alternatives to the physical Form 4070. If your manager has approved your app, you should be fine as long as the app tracks all the necessary information (dates, amounts, establishment name, etc.) and you submit reports by the 10th of the following month. Just make sure you keep backups of what you submit. I've seen situations where servers thought they were reporting properly through an app but the data wasn't being properly recorded in the restaurant's system.
As someone who's been serving for about 3 years, I totally get your confusion! I went through the exact same thing when I started. Here's what I've learned works best: First, definitely track ALL your tips - both cash and credit card. I use a simple notebook where I write down my shift date, total sales, credit card tips, and cash tips. Takes like 30 seconds at the end of each shift. For the Form 4070 question - technically yes, you're supposed to report monthly if you make over $20 in tips. But honestly, most restaurants don't make it easy. What I do is ask my manager about their preferred method. Some places have their own electronic system, others want you to use the actual Form 4070. The key thing is that you DO need to report your tips somehow - either monthly to your employer OR annually on Form 4137 when you file taxes. If you don't report monthly, you'll pay more in Social Security/Medicare taxes at the end of the year, plus potential penalties. My advice? Start tracking everything now and have a conversation with your manager about what system they prefer. Even if your coworkers are doing different things, you want to be compliant. Better to be the one person doing it right than to risk getting in trouble later! Also, keep all your tip records - the IRS can ask for them if they ever audit you.
Don't overlook the safe harbor provisions! As a new freelancer, you can avoid penalties by paying either: - 90% of your current year tax - 100% of your prior year tax (110% if your income was over $150k) For first-year freelancers, using last year's tax liability is often the easiest method since you just look at your previous tax return. If you didn't owe any tax last year, you might not need to make estimated payments at all!
But what if my income this year will be way higher than last year? Last year I was a part-time student with minimal income. This year I'm expecting to make quite a bit more with freelancing.
That's actually where the safe harbor provision helps you! If your previous year's tax liability was small, you can use that amount as your safe harbor target and avoid penalties even if you end up making significantly more this year. For example, if you only owed $2,000 in taxes last year, you could make quarterly payments totaling $2,000 for this year ($500 each quarter), and you wouldn't face underpayment penalties even if you end up owing $10,000 when you file. You'd still need to pay the remaining $8,000 when you file your return, but without penalties for underpayment.
One thing nobody mentioned - make sure you're tracking all your business expenses from day one! As a video editor, you can deduct portions of: - Computer equipment - Editing software subscriptions - External hard drives - Office space (even home office) - Internet costs These deductions can significantly reduce your taxable income and might even keep you under that $1000 threshold longer than expected!
Is there a good app for tracking all these expenses? I'm terrible at keeping receipts.
For expense tracking, I've been using Receipt Bank (now called Dext) which lets you just snap photos of receipts with your phone. QuickBooks Self-Employed is another solid option - it automatically categorizes transactions and has a mileage tracker too. Since you're in video production like the original poster, don't forget you can also deduct things like: - Camera equipment rentals - Stock footage/music licenses - Travel expenses to client locations - Even a portion of your phone bill if you use it for business The key is being consistent about tracking everything from the start - it's so much easier than trying to reconstruct everything at tax time!
Does anyone know if state tax filing follows the same rules? I'm in California with a similar situation (I'm resident, spouse is non-resident on F1) and I'm not sure if making the federal election to file jointly means we have to file jointly for state too?
Most states follow federal filing status, but California is actually one of the exceptions in certain cases. If one spouse is a non-resident and has no California income, you might be able to file as married filing separately for CA even if you file jointly federally. Check out CA Form 540NR instructions - there's a specific section for this situation. You might save on state taxes this way while still getting federal benefits of MFJ.
Thanks for the tip about Form 540NR! I'll definitely look into that. Would make a huge difference if we can optimize both federal and state filings separately.
Great discussion everyone! I wanted to add another perspective as someone who went through this exact situation last year. One thing to keep in mind is timing - since you got married in May 2025, you'll be considered married for the entire tax year for filing purposes. This means you can choose between MFJ or MFS for your 2025 return. I'd also suggest documenting everything carefully. When I made the Section 6013(g) election, I kept copies of all the paperwork including the statement attached to our return, my wife's I-94, and her I-20 showing her F1 status. The IRS never questioned it, but having that documentation ready gave me peace of mind. Another consideration: if your wife plans to change visa status in the future (like applying for a green card), filing jointly and making the election won't negatively impact that process. In fact, it can sometimes help establish the legitimacy of your marriage for immigration purposes. The tax savings from MFJ are usually substantial enough to outweigh the added complexity of reporting worldwide income, especially if her foreign income is minimal like most F1 students.
Charlee Coleman
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the importance of getting proper currency conversion documentation. Since you're dealing with a foreign currency sale, the IRS will want to see what exchange rate you used to convert to USD for tax purposes. I'd recommend using the official IRS yearly average exchange rates (found in IRS Publication 15-A) or the rate from a reputable financial institution on the date of sale. Keep documentation of which rate you used and when, as this affects your gain calculation. Also, if there's a significant time gap between when you agree on the sale price and when you actually receive the funds, currency fluctuations could impact your tax liability. The exchange rate used should typically be based on when the sale was completed, not when you receive the wire transfer. This is especially important for larger amounts like yours ($120k-180k) where even small exchange rate differences can mean hundreds or thousands in tax implications.
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Natalie Chen
This is such a comprehensive discussion! I wanted to add one more consideration that might be relevant - the potential impact on your Net Investment Income Tax (NIIT) that was briefly mentioned earlier. Since you're looking at $120k-180k in proceeds, and depending on your other income, you might trigger the 3.8% NIIT on top of your regular capital gains tax. This kicks in when your modified adjusted gross income exceeds $200k for single filers or $250k for married filing jointly. Also, something I learned the hard way - make sure to notify your bank in advance about the incoming large international wire transfer. Even though it's legitimate, I've seen cases where banks temporarily freeze accounts when large unexpected international transfers arrive, especially if it's not typical activity for your account. A simple call to your bank's wire department beforehand explaining the expected transfer can save you potential headaches. Lastly, consider opening a separate savings account specifically for setting aside the tax money as soon as the funds arrive. With current interest rates, you can at least earn something on the money you'll eventually owe to the IRS rather than letting it sit in checking. Just make sure it's easily accessible for when you need to pay quarterly estimated taxes or your final tax bill. You're being very smart to plan this out in advance - most people don't think about these implications until after they've already received the money!
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QuantumQuest
ā¢Great questions! For high-yield savings accounts, I'd recommend looking at Marcus by Goldman Sachs, Ally Bank, or Capital One 360 - they typically offer competitive rates (currently around 4-5% APY) and are FDIC insured. Just make sure there are no withdrawal restrictions since you'll need access for tax payments. Regarding quarterly estimated taxes - this is really important! If you expect to owe $1,000 or more in taxes when you file, the IRS generally requires quarterly payments to avoid underpayment penalties. Since you're looking at a potential six-figure capital gain, you'll almost certainly hit that threshold. The safe harbor rule is key here: if you pay either 90% of this year's tax liability OR 100% of last year's total tax (110% if your prior year AGI was over $150k) through withholding and estimated payments, you avoid penalties. Since this gain will likely far exceed your normal tax liability, I'd strongly recommend making estimated payments. You'd want to make your first estimated payment for Q3 2024 by September 16th (since the sale hasn't happened yet), then Q4 by January 15th, 2025. Many people split it 50/50 between those two quarters, but you could also do it all in Q4 if the sale happens late in the year. Consider using Form 1040ES to calculate the amount, or better yet, consult with a tax professional who can run the numbers based on your complete financial picture.
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TillyCombatwarrior
ā¢For high-yield savings accounts, I'd recommend looking at Marcus by Goldman Sachs, Ally Bank, or Capital One 360 - they're all FDIC insured and currently offering rates around 4-5%. Marcus is particularly good for this since there are no minimum balance requirements and you can easily transfer money out when needed for tax payments. Regarding quarterly estimated taxes - since you normally just have W-2 income, you'll likely need to make estimated payments to avoid underpayment penalties. The IRS generally requires quarterly payments if you expect to owe $1,000 or more in tax beyond what's withheld from your regular job. With a capital gain of $120k-180k, you're definitely going to hit that threshold. The safe harbor rule might help you though - if you pay 100% of last year's total tax liability through withholding and estimated payments (110% if your prior year AGI was over $150k), you won't face penalties even if you end up owing more. You could increase your W-4 withholding at work for the rest of the year, or make quarterly estimated payments using Form 1040ES. I'd suggest calculating roughly what you'll owe (around 15-20% federal capital gains plus potential 3.8% NIIT plus state taxes if applicable) and either make a large estimated payment for Q4 or significantly increase your payroll withholding for the remaining months of the year. Don't wait until next April - the penalties for underpayment can add up!
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