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Does anyone else think its ridiculous that we have to report such small amounts? Like I made maybe $800 last year doing digital drawings and now I gotta fill out all these extra tax forms and pay self-employment tax? The whole system feels designed to discourage people from having little side gigs.
It definitely feels that way sometimes. But I will say that once you learn how to properly deduct your business expenses, you might end up owing very little. My first year I thought I'd owe hundreds in taxes on my $1200 in side income, but after proper deductions it was only like $75.
I totally get the frustration! The $400 threshold does seem low for triggering self-employment tax requirements. But think of it this way - you're building a legitimate business and contributing to Social Security/Medicare through those taxes, which will benefit you later. Plus, as others mentioned, proper expense tracking can really minimize what you actually owe. I started tracking everything in a simple spreadsheet and was surprised how much I could deduct - even small things like PayPal fees add up over the year.
Great question and thanks for sharing your update! I'm glad you got clarity from your state tax office. Just to add some perspective for others reading this - while your state may not require taxes on income under $12,950, federal requirements are different. Even though PayPal didn't send you a 1099 for your $740 in earnings, you'll still need to report this on your federal return since it's over the $400 self-employment threshold. The good news is that after deducting your business expenses (PayPal fees, art supplies, software, etc.), your actual taxable income will be much lower than $740. I'd recommend keeping detailed records of all your art-related expenses for next year - even small purchases add up and can significantly reduce what you owe. Tools like a simple spreadsheet or even a photo of receipts can save you money come tax time!
This is really helpful clarification! I'm new to all this tax stuff and was getting confused between state and federal requirements. So just to make sure I understand - even though my state doesn't require me to pay taxes on my small art income, I still need to report it federally because it's over $400 in self-employment income? And when you mention deducting business expenses, can I deduct things like the art software subscriptions I pay monthly for, or does it have to be physical supplies? I use Procreate and Adobe Creative Suite for my digital art commissions.
This thread has been really enlightening! I'm dealing with a similar situation where I bought a fixer-upper last year intending to flip it. I spent 10 months renovating before selling, and like many of you, I got conflicting advice from tax professionals. Based on what I'm reading here, it sounds like since I never intended to rent the property (it was always meant to be sold), all my carrying costs during renovation should be capitalized rather than expensed. This includes the mortgage interest, property taxes, utilities, and even things like security system monitoring that I paid during the renovation period. It's frustrating because it means no current-year deductions, but I guess the silver lining is that it increases my basis and reduces the capital gains tax when I sell. Has anyone here actually been through an audit on a flip property? I want to make sure I'm following the rules correctly since the amounts involved are significant.
I haven't been through an audit specifically on a flip property, but I did have questions during a regular audit about investment property capitalization. The IRS examiner was very focused on whether expenses were properly capitalized versus expensed, especially for properties not yet in service. From what I learned, the key is having good documentation that shows your intent from the beginning. Keep records showing you always planned to sell (like marketing materials, contractor bids for sale preparation, etc.) rather than hold for rental. Also maintain detailed records of all expenses during the renovation period with clear dates showing they occurred before the property was available for sale. The auditor told me that flip properties are an area they pay attention to because some people try to deduct carrying costs that should be capitalized. Having everything properly categorized and well-documented made the process much smoother. Your approach of capitalizing all carrying costs sounds correct based on the discussion here.
I've been following this discussion and want to add some perspective as someone who's dealt with multiple investment properties over the years. The confusion between your two CPAs likely stems from the fact that the rules are different depending on your intent and how the property is classified. For properties held for sale (like yours), Section 263A uniform capitalization rules generally apply, which means all direct and indirect costs - including carrying costs like interest, utilities, and maintenance - must be capitalized during the production period. This is exactly what your first CPA is telling you. However, there can be some exceptions. If you're not considered a "dealer" and the property qualifies under certain de minimis rules, some interest might still be deductible. But given that you put $80k into renovations and held it for a full year specifically to prepare it for sale, you'd likely be subject to full capitalization. The key documentation you'll want to maintain is proof of your intent to sell from the beginning, detailed records of all expenses with dates, and clear separation between costs incurred during the construction/preparation period versus any costs after the property was ready for sale. This will be crucial if you ever face questions from the IRS about your treatment of these expenses.
Just wanted to add that if you take money from your HSA, make sure to keep ALL medical receipts, even small ones. The IRS allows you to reimburse yourself for qualified medical expenses from years ago (no time limit) as long as the expense occurred after you established the HSA.
Wait really?? So if I have a $5000 medical bill from 2023 (that I already paid out of pocket) and I take $5000 out of my HSA now, I can avoid the penalty by "retroactively" using it for that old bill??
Wow I had no idea! I've been paying some pretty significant medical bills out of pocket over the past couple years because I was trying to let my HSA grow. So you're saying I could actually withdraw that amount penalty-free as long as I have documentation of those past expenses? That could be a game changer for my situation.
Connor, I'm really sorry to hear you're in such a tight financial spot. Before you make any moves on your retirement accounts, I'd strongly suggest checking if you have any unreimbursed medical expenses from the past few years that you paid out of pocket. As Malik mentioned, the HSA has this amazing feature where you can reimburse yourself for qualified medical expenses with no time limit - as long as the expense occurred after you opened your HSA account. This could potentially let you withdraw from your HSA completely penalty-free if you have documentation for past medical bills, prescriptions, dental work, vision expenses, etc. Even something like over-the-counter medications (with a prescription), medical equipment, or travel expenses for medical care can qualify. Keep every receipt and make sure the total amount you withdraw doesn't exceed your documented qualified expenses. If you don't have enough past medical expenses to cover what you need, then yes, the 401k loan route would be much better than an early withdrawal. At 28, you've got decades for that money to grow - the real cost isn't just the penalties, it's the lost compound growth over time. Hang in there, and make sure to explore every option before touching those retirement funds! šŖ
This is such great advice! I never knew about the HSA reimbursement rule either. @297b08930051 you should definitely dig through your old medical records and receipts. Even co-pays, prescription costs, and things like contacts or glasses can add up to significant amounts over a few years. I'd also suggest looking into whether your employer has any employee assistance programs or emergency loan programs - many companies offer these but don't publicize them well. Sometimes there are also local credit unions that offer better rates than big banks for people in financial emergencies. Really hoping you can find a way to avoid those early withdrawal penalties. The math on losing that compound growth over 30+ years is just brutal. Rooting for you! š
I switched from W2 to LLC last year and here's what surprised me - health insurance! Went from paying $220/month with my employer to over $850/month for worse coverage. The self-employed health insurance deduction helps a bit but not enough to offset the huge premium increase. Also, don't forget about state filing fees and annual reports for your LLC. Depending on your state, these can range from $50 to several hundred dollars annually.
Did you look into joining a PEO (Professional Employer Organization)? Some offer health insurance access for small businesses at better rates.
I didn't know about PEOs when I first made the switch! I've since joined a small business association that offers group rates, which helped bring my premium down to about $650/month. Still more than triple what I paid as a W2 employee, but better than what I was paying initially. Another thing I discovered is that having an LLC opened up access to business credit cards with better rewards structures than personal cards, which has been an unexpected benefit for business expenses.
I made this exact transition two years ago, going from a $78K W2 position to LLC status. Here's my honest take after living through it: **The Good:** - Home office deduction saved me about $2,400 annually - Business meal deductions (50% of legitimate business meals) - Equipment purchases are fully deductible - Solo 401k allowed me to contribute way more to retirement than my old employer plan **The Reality Check:** - Self-employment tax hit me harder than expected - that extra 7.65% really adds up - Quarterly estimated payments require discipline and cash flow planning - Lost paid sick days, vacation time, and employer 401k match - Health insurance premium jumped from $180/month to $720/month **Bottom Line:** I'm making about $6K more annually, but after factoring in lost benefits and higher healthcare costs, my actual take-home is roughly the same. The main advantage has been flexibility and control over my work schedule. One piece of advice: If you're planning to work exclusively for your current employer as a contractor, be very careful about IRS worker classification rules. The IRS looks at factors like who controls your work schedule, whether you use company equipment, and if you have other clients. Consider getting multiple clients before making the switch to strengthen your independent contractor status.
Thanks for sharing your real-world experience! The health insurance jump you mentioned is eye-opening - going from $180 to $720/month is a massive hidden cost that a lot of people probably don't factor in when running the numbers. Quick question about the quarterly payments - did you find it hard to estimate what you'd owe? I'm worried about either overpaying and losing cash flow or underpaying and getting hit with penalties. Also, when you mention getting multiple clients to strengthen independent contractor status, how long did it take you to build up that client base while transitioning?
Omar Fawaz
Has anyone looked into whether it's better to take distributions from your S-Corp and then fund a backdoor Roth vs setting up these more complex retirement plans? Especially if you expect to be in a higher tax bracket in retirement?
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Chloe Martin
ā¢Distributions vs retirement plans isn't really an either/or situation. Distributions from your S-Corp don't reduce your tax burden now - you still pay personal income tax on S-Corp profits regardless of whether you take distributions or not. The retirement plans discussed here actually reduce your current tax burden while still allowing your money to grow. For example, employer contributions from your S-Corp to a Solo 401k are deductible business expenses, reducing both your taxable business income and self-employment taxes. The backdoor Roth has its place, but it's limited to $7,000 per year (2024) and doesn't provide current-year tax benefits. Most people in your situation would typically do BOTH - max out all available retirement options AND do backdoor Roth if they're over the income limits for direct contributions.
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Zoe Stavros
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar situation but with one additional wrinkle - I'm also contributing to a HSA through my W-2 job. Does that impact any of the S-Corp retirement plan contribution limits mentioned here? Also, for those who mentioned taxr.ai - did their analysis include HSA optimization as part of the overall retirement planning strategy? I'm trying to figure out if I should prioritize maxing my HSA first before setting up the Solo 401k, or if they work completely independently of each other. One more question - if I set up a Solo 401k through my S-Corp this year, can I still make catch-up contributions when I turn 50 next year, or do those limits get complicated when you have multiple 401k accounts?
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Lara Woods
ā¢Great questions! HSA contributions don't impact your 401k contribution limits at all - they're completely separate. HSAs have their own annual limits ($4,300 for individual, $8,550 for family coverage in 2024) and are actually the most tax-advantaged account available since contributions are deductible, growth is tax-free, AND withdrawals for qualified medical expenses are tax-free. Regarding prioritization, most financial experts recommend maxing HSA first if you have access to one, then employer match, then other retirement accounts. HSAs are essentially a "triple tax advantage" account. For catch-up contributions at 50, you'll be able to make an additional $7,500 in employee contributions across all your 401k plans combined (so still the same $30,500 total employee contribution limit in 2025), but the employer contribution limits from your S-Corp remain the same. The catch-up only applies to employee deferrals, not employer contributions. I haven't used taxr.ai myself, but comprehensive tax planning should definitely include HSA optimization as part of the overall strategy since it's such a powerful retirement savings vehicle, especially if you can afford to pay medical expenses out of pocket and let the HSA grow.
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