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As someone who went through this exact situation last year with my EU-based Delaware LLC, I can confirm that the Form 5472 requirement is real and the penalties are no joke. Here's what I learned: 1. **ITIN Application**: You can file Form W-7 with your tax return, but I recommend applying earlier if possible since processing times are unpredictable. You'll need it for any future US tax filings. 2. **Form 5472 + Form 1120**: Even with zero activity, you still need to file Form 5472 with a "pro forma" Form 1120 as a cover sheet. This is specifically for foreign-owned disregarded entities and many tax preparers miss this requirement. 3. **State Requirements**: Don't forget Delaware's annual franchise tax ($300 minimum) and annual report. These are due by March 1st each year, separate from federal taxes. 4. **Mercury Bank Account**: If your balance ever exceeds $10,000, you'll need to file FBAR (FinCEN Form 114) by April 15th. This is separate from income tax reporting. 5. **Kickstarter Timing**: Yes, if your campaign concludes after April 15th, those funds would be reported on next year's return. Just make sure to track all related expenses from the start. The key is staying compliant from day one. The $25,000 penalty for missing Form 5472 is automatic and they don't care that you had no income. Better to file correctly even with zeros than to miss the requirement entirely.
This is incredibly helpful! I'm just starting to wrap my head around all these requirements. Quick question - when you say "pro forma" Form 1120, does that mean you fill it out with all zeros, or do you need to put specific information even with no activity? Also, did you end up needing to get a separate tax preparer for the international aspects, or were you able to handle the filings yourself once you understood the requirements?
@ea5fc5cff251 Great breakdown! I'm curious about the timing aspect - if someone forms their LLC late in the year (like October as OP mentioned), do they still need to file Form 5472 for that partial year even if they literally had zero transactions? And does the filing deadline still remain April 15th of the following year regardless of when during the year the LLC was formed? Also, for the Delaware annual report due March 1st - is that based on the calendar year or the LLC formation date? I've seen conflicting information about whether it's due the March 1st after formation or the following March 1st.
I went through this exact situation two years ago as a nonresident alien with a Delaware LLC formed through Stripe Atlas. Here's what I wish someone had told me upfront: **You absolutely need to file Form 5472 even with zero activity.** This is the most commonly missed requirement and the $25,000 penalty is automatic - no warnings, no grace period. The form goes with a "pro forma" Form 1120 that essentially acts as a cover sheet. **For your ITIN application:** File Form W-7 with your first tax return rather than separately. It's faster and you avoid the back-and-forth with the IRS. You'll need certified copies of your passport and other identity documents. **Delaware state requirements:** The annual franchise tax ($300 minimum) and annual report are due March 1st each year, starting the year after formation. So if you formed in October 2024, your first Delaware filing is due March 1, 2026. **Mercury account considerations:** Keep track of your highest balance. If it hits $10,000 at any point, you'll need to file FBAR by April 15th. This caught me off guard in year two when my business grew. **Pro tip:** Document everything from day one, even setup costs paid from your personal account. Those are deductible business expenses once you start generating income. The learning curve is steep but staying compliant from the beginning saves you massive headaches (and penalties) later. Feel free to ask if you need clarification on any of these points!
This is exactly the kind of detailed guidance I've been looking for! I'm also going through Stripe Atlas and feeling overwhelmed by all the tax requirements. One quick clarification - when you mention documenting setup costs from personal accounts, does that include things like the Stripe Atlas fee itself, or just ongoing business expenses? And did you end up using a specialized international tax preparer for these filings, or were you able to handle them yourself once you understood the requirements? The $25K penalty for Form 5472 is terrifying, so I want to make sure I get this right from the start.
If you're tight on cash, also consider filing your taxes early but scheduling your payment(s) for later dates. You can file now in February and schedule payments for March and April. This way you know exactly what you owe but can still split up the payments. I do this every year when I owe.
Another option to consider is using the IRS payment estimator tool to double-check your calculation before making any payments. I made the mistake last year of calculating my owed amount wrong and ended up overpaying by about $200. It took months to get the refund processed! The tool is free on the IRS website and can help you verify that $850 figure is correct. It's especially helpful if you have any unusual income sources or deductions that might affect your final tax liability. Better to catch any errors now than deal with corrections later. Also, if you do end up needing more time to pay, the IRS short-term payment plan (120 days or less) doesn't have a setup fee, unlike the longer installment agreements. Just something to keep in mind as a backup option.
This is really good advice about double-checking the calculation! I actually ran into a similar issue a couple years ago where I miscalculated my withholdings and thought I owed more than I actually did. The payment estimator tool is definitely worth using. Quick question though - if I do end up overpaying with my partial payments, does the IRS automatically send a refund or do I need to file something to get the overpayment back? And roughly how long does that process usually take?
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm a newcomer here but going through the exact same situation right now. My transcript updated two days ago with code 846 and a refund date of next Wednesday, but WMR is still showing "processing" which has been making me anxious. Reading through all these detailed responses has really put my mind at ease though. Like many others here, I only see the 846 code with no 841 or offset codes, I double-checked that my banking info was correct when I filed, and I just called my bank this morning to confirm my account is in good standing with no restrictions. The explanation about the IRS honoring direct deposit unless there's a specific issue makes a lot of sense, and it's reassuring to see so many success stories from people who had the same pattern of codes. The tip about the automated refund hotline (1-800-829-1954) is something I'm definitely going to try today too. As someone new to tracking refunds this closely, I had no idea about things like the 3-deposit annual limit or how banking verification failures could trigger automatic paper checks. This community is amazing for sharing all this technical knowledge that you just can't find easily elsewhere! I'll make sure to update once my refund comes through to add to the collection of experiences here. Fingers crossed it's a smooth direct deposit as expected! Thank you to everyone who has shared their knowledge and experiences - it makes this stressful waiting period so much more manageable.
@Mei Wong Welcome to the community! I m'also relatively new to tracking refunds this closely and this thread has been a goldmine of information. It s'so reassuring to hear from someone else going through the same timeline - transcript updated two days ago but WMR still processing. Your systematic approach of checking all the boxes correct (banking info, account verification, looking for the right codes seems) to be the way to go based on everyone s'shared experiences. I had no idea about most of these technical details either until I found this community. The automated hotline tip is definitely worth trying - several people have mentioned it gives good additional confirmation. Really hoping your direct deposit hits smoothly next Wednesday! It s'great to see newcomers like us benefiting from all the knowledge people have shared here.
I'm also new to this community and currently going through the exact same situation! My transcript updated yesterday morning with code 846 and a refund date for next Tuesday, but WMR is still stuck on "processing." This thread has been absolutely invaluable - I had no idea about most of these technical details before finding this discussion. Like others have mentioned, I only see the 846 code with no 841 or offset codes, my banking information was correct when I filed, and I just verified with my bank that my account is in good standing. One thing I'm curious about that I haven't seen mentioned yet - has anyone noticed if the day of the week your refund date falls on affects anything? Mine is scheduled for a Tuesday, and I'm wondering if that makes any difference for direct deposit timing. The automated hotline tip (1-800-829-1954) that @Natasha Orlova mentioned sounds really helpful for additional peace of mind. I'm definitely going to try calling that today to see if the information matches my transcript. It's such a relief to see so many success stories from people who had similar patterns of codes and ended up getting their direct deposits as expected. The waiting is definitely nerve-wracking when you're counting on that money, but this community knowledge has made it so much more bearable! I'll absolutely update everyone once my refund comes through. Thank you to everyone who has shared their experiences and expertise here - it's making a huge difference for us newcomers navigating this process!
@Aliyah Debovski Welcome to the community! I m'also new here and going through this exact same waiting game. Regarding your question about the day of the week - from what I ve'observed reading through various posts, Tuesday refund dates are actually pretty common and shouldn t'affect anything. The IRS processes ACH transactions on business days, so Tuesday should be perfectly fine for direct deposit. I m'in a similar boat with my transcript showing code 846 but WMR still processing. The automated hotline tip is definitely worth trying - I called yesterday and while it doesn t'explicitly say direct "deposit, getting" confirmation that matches your transcript date is reassuring. This community has been such a lifesaver for understanding all these codes and processes. Looking forward to hearing your update when your refund hits next Tuesday!
Hey! I totally get the confusion - I was in the exact same boat when I started my first job last year. The W-4 form is honestly not designed to be user-friendly, especially for teens. For your wage estimate, here's what I did: I asked my manager roughly how many hours I'd get per week, then did the math. So if you're making $12/hour and expect to work about 16 hours a week for, say, 35 weeks (accounting for school breaks), that's $12 Ć 16 Ć 35 = $6,720. Don't stress about being exact - it's just an estimate! For the additional withholding section, definitely put $0 or leave it blank. That's for people who want extra money taken out of their paychecks, which you probably don't need. One thing that really helped me was talking to someone in HR or payroll at work. They deal with W-4s all the time and can usually walk you through it. Way less intimidating than calling the IRS, and they know your specific pay situation. Also, don't feel dumb about this! Literally everyone is confused by tax forms the first time. Your parents probably just forgot how overwhelming it was when they started working. You're being responsible by asking questions instead of just guessing randomly.
This is such great advice! I'm also a teen who just started working and was totally overwhelmed by the W-4. Your point about talking to HR/payroll is spot on - I was so nervous about seeming stupid, but when I finally asked, the payroll person was super nice and helped me through it in like 10 minutes. They see confused teens all the time and are usually happy to help! One thing I'd add is that you can always change your W-4 later if your situation changes. Like if you end up working way more hours in summer than you expected, or if you get a raise, you can just fill out a new form. It's not set in stone forever, which made me feel way less anxious about getting it "perfect" the first time. @cd33dae18b61 Thanks for being so encouraging about not feeling dumb - that really helps!
Don't worry - you're definitely not alone in feeling overwhelmed by the W-4! I remember staring at mine for like an hour when I got my first job at 16. Here's the simplest way to think about the wage estimate: Just make your best guess based on what you know right now. If you're working at a coffee shop, maybe ask your manager what a typical part-time schedule looks like. Let's say it's 12 hours/week at $13/hour - that would be about $156/week. If you work for 30 weeks this year (accounting for school and breaks), that's roughly $4,680. The key thing is not to stress about being exact. The IRS isn't going to come after you if you estimate $5,000 and actually make $4,500. This is just to help determine how much tax to withhold from your paychecks. For that additional withholding section - definitely just put $0. That's for people who want extra money taken out, which you almost certainly don't need with a part-time job. One last tip: if you make less than about $13,850 this year, you probably won't owe any federal income tax anyway. So even if you mess something up slightly, you'll likely get any withheld money back as a refund when you file your taxes. You've got this! And honestly, your parents should be more helpful - everyone needs guidance on their first tax forms.
This is such a helpful breakdown! I'm also a teen dealing with my first W-4 and the math example really makes it clear. I was overthinking it so much, but you're right that it's just an estimate to get in the ballpark. Quick question though - when you say "if you make less than about $13,850 this year, you probably won't owe any federal income tax" - does that mean I could claim exempt like some other people mentioned? Or is it safer to just let them withhold a little and get it back as a refund? I'm working at a restaurant and honestly have no idea if I'll end up with more shifts during busy seasons or fewer during exams. @ea99f97eb184 Thanks for being so encouraging about parents not always being helpful - mine are the same way!
Ethan Brown
I went through something very similar with my father's estate two years ago. The stress and confusion you're feeling is completely normal - these IRS notices can be incredibly overwhelming, especially when you thought everything was properly handled. A few important points to keep in mind: 1. You are likely NOT personally liable for your mother's tax debts. As others mentioned, this depends on whether the notice is addressed to you personally or to "The Estate of [Mother's Name]." 2. The fact that you distributed assets after paying known debts and expenses doesn't necessarily create personal liability, especially if you had no knowledge of additional tax obligations at the time. 3. Document everything! Keep copies of all correspondence, your mother's final tax return, death certificate, and any estate settlement documents. One thing I learned is that the IRS often has incomplete information when they send these notices. Sometimes they're missing forms that were actually filed, or they have outdated address information that caused notices to go to the wrong place initially. Don't let this consume you - there are solutions, and many of these situations get resolved once you provide the proper documentation. The key is responding promptly and getting the right information to the right people at the IRS.
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Oliver Becker
I'm so sorry you're going through this - dealing with unexpected tax issues after losing a parent is incredibly stressful. The good news is that you're not alone in this situation, and there are definitely steps you can take. First, don't panic about personal liability. As others have mentioned, if you acted in good faith as executor and distributed assets after paying all known debts, you're likely protected. The key word here is "known" - if the IRS is now claiming taxes were owed that you had no way of knowing about when you settled the estate, that's a very different situation than if you had ignored known tax obligations. I'd recommend taking these immediate steps: 1. Carefully read the notice to see if it's addressed to you personally or to your mother's estate 2. Call the phone number on the notice and ask for a payment plan or hardship consideration if needed - explain that the estate has been closed and distributed 3. Request copies of the tax transcripts the IRS is using to make this determination (you can do this online) 4. Consider reaching out to a tax professional or the Taxpayer Advocate Service if you're getting nowhere with regular IRS channels Remember, the IRS deals with estate situations like this regularly. They have procedures for when estates have been closed and assets distributed. Stay calm, respond promptly, and document everything. You've got this!
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Charlotte White
ā¢This is really helpful advice, especially about the Taxpayer Advocate Service - I didn't even know that existed! One question though - when you say "call the phone number on the notice," are you talking about the general IRS helpline or is there usually a specific number on these estate-related notices? I'm worried about getting stuck in phone tree hell trying to reach someone who actually understands estate issues.
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