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Has anyone ever done this through TurboTax? I have a similar issue but from 2023 and I'm wondering if I can just fix it when I file my taxes this year.
For a 2023 excess contribution, you're actually still within the timeframe to fix it without penalties! You have until your tax filing deadline (including extensions) to remove excess contributions from the previous year. So for 2023 contributions, you have until April 15, 2025 (or October 15, 2025 if you file an extension).
I had almost the exact same situation with a 2019 HSA excess contribution that I didn't catch until 2022. The key is being persistent with your HSA provider - don't accept "we can't do that" as an answer. Here's what worked for me: I called Optum (same provider as you) and specifically asked for their "Tax Compliance Department" rather than regular customer service. The regular reps often don't understand the rules for correcting prior-year excess contributions. When I got through to tax compliance, they knew exactly what I was talking about and processed my excess contribution removal within a week. You'll need to specify on the form that this is for tax year 2020, and make sure you request the withdrawal of just the excess amount ($800 in your case) - don't include any earnings on that amount unless you want to pay taxes on those earnings. The good news is you won't need to amend any prior returns, and you'll stop paying that 6% penalty going forward. One tip: if they still give you pushback, mention IRS Revenue Ruling 2004-41 which specifically addresses corrections of excess HSA contributions from prior years. That usually gets their attention!
Don't forget you can also spread the income from a qualified disaster distribution over 3 years! So if you qualify for the disaster exception, you could include just 1/3 of the distribution in your income this year, and the rest in the next two years. Helps with the tax hit.
Is that still available? I thought that was only for COVID-related distributions and expired after 2020?
The 3-year income spreading option is still available for qualified disaster distributions, not just COVID-related ones! This applies to distributions from retirement plans due to federally declared disasters. You can elect to include the distribution in income ratably over the 3-year period beginning with the year of distribution. To do this, you'll need to file Form 8915-F (Qualified Disaster Retirement Plan Distributions and Repayments) along with your return. This form lets you specify how much of the distribution to include in each year's income. Since you withdrew $13,500, you could potentially include $4,500 in income each year for three years instead of taking the full tax hit this year. Just make sure your hurricane situation qualifies as a federally declared disaster in your area before electing this option. The IRS has specific requirements about timing and geographic areas that qualify.
This is really helpful information about Form 8915-F! I had no idea you could spread the income over three years for disaster distributions. That would definitely help with the tax burden. Do you know if there's a deadline for making this election, or can you choose to do it when you file your return? Also, if you elect the 3-year spreading, does that affect the penalty exception at all, or are those two separate things?
Just to clarify something that might be confusing from the other responses - you absolutely DO need to report that $1,200 as taxable income on your federal return, regardless of whether you itemize deductions or take the standard deduction. The gambling winnings get reported as "Other Income" on your 1040. The loss deduction piece is separate and optional - you can only deduct gambling losses if you itemize deductions AND only up to the amount of your winnings. So if you normally take the standard deduction (which most people do), you'd pay taxes on the full $1,200 and wouldn't be able to deduct that $300 loss. Make sure you received the W-2G form from the casino when you collected your winnings - they're required to give it to you at the time of payout for slot wins of $1,200 or more. You'll need that form to complete your tax return. If you didn't get it or lost it, contact the casino's player services department to get a copy.
This is really helpful clarification! I'm in a similar situation where I had some smaller casino wins throughout the year (nothing over $1,200 so no W-2G forms) but I normally take the standard deduction. So if I understand correctly, I still need to report all those wins as income even without the forms, but I can't deduct my losses unless I switch to itemizing - which probably wouldn't be worth it for most people since the standard deduction is usually higher anyway, right? Also, just to make sure I understand the multi-state thing that was mentioned earlier - if I had winnings in multiple states, do I need to file returns in each state where I won money, or just report everything on my home state return?
You've got it exactly right! Yes, you need to report all gambling winnings as income regardless of whether you got forms, and you're correct that for most people the standard deduction is higher than what they'd get from itemizing (especially if gambling losses are your main itemizable deduction). For the multi-state question - you typically need to file a nonresident return in each state where you had winnings, then report everything on your home state return too. Your home state should give you a credit for taxes paid to other states so you don't get double-taxed. It's extra paperwork but usually not too complicated. Some states have minimum thresholds though, so small wins might not trigger a filing requirement. You'd need to check each state's specific rules or consult a tax professional if you have winnings across multiple states.
One thing that helped me when I was in a similar situation was keeping track of the exact time and date of both my losses and winnings during that casino visit. Since you mentioned losing $300 before hitting the $1,200 jackpot all in the same trip, you might want to check if your player's club card tracked those transactions automatically. Many casinos keep detailed records of your play when you use their rewards card, and you can often request a win/loss statement from them that shows all your activity for that day. This can serve as official documentation for both your winnings and losses, which is really helpful if you do decide to itemize deductions. Even if you end up taking the standard deduction, having that documentation is good to keep for your records in case the IRS ever has questions about your return. Also, don't forget that if any taxes were withheld from your winnings (which sometimes happens on larger jackpots), that information should be on your W-2G form and you can claim those withholdings as payments made toward your tax liability.
That's a great point about the player's club card tracking! I didn't even think about that when I was at the casino. I do remember using my rewards card for most of my play that day, so I should definitely contact them to get a win/loss statement. That would make documentation so much easier than trying to piece together receipts and remember exact amounts. Quick question though - if the casino shows I actually lost more than $300 during other parts of that trip (maybe from table games or other slots I don't remember), could I potentially deduct those additional losses too? Or does it only count the losses that happened right before the big win? I'm trying to figure out if it's worth the effort to itemize if my total losses for that trip were higher than I initially thought.
Has anyone actually gotten an IRS penalty for HSA over-contributions before? I'm wondering how strict they are about this stuff. I think I might have over-contributed last year but never fixed it and haven't heard anything.
Yes, I got hit with the 6% excise tax for an HSA excess contribution I didn't correct. It wasn't a huge amount (around $75 penalty for my $1,250 over-contribution), but the annoying part was filling out Form 5329. The IRS does check this, especially if your W-2 and HSA provider both report contribution amounts that exceed the limits.
I went through something very similar last year! You're absolutely right that you can still contribute that $150 to get back to your maximum allowable contribution for 2024. As others mentioned, you have until April 15th, 2025 to make 2024 HSA contributions. One thing I'd add is to keep really good records of all these transactions. I created a simple spreadsheet tracking: original contributions, the excess amount, withdrawal date and amount, and then the corrective contribution. This made tax filing much easier and gave me peace of mind if the IRS ever had questions. Also, don't stress too much about the "return of excess contributions" form you already filed - that was correct for the portion that was actually excess. The additional $150 you're putting back in is just you using up your remaining contribution room for 2024, which is totally separate and allowed. Just make sure when you contribute that $150 with Fidelity, you explicitly designate it as a 2024 contribution in their system. Their interface makes this pretty clear during the contribution process.
This is really helpful advice about keeping detailed records! I'm actually dealing with a similar HSA situation right now and hadn't thought about creating a spreadsheet to track everything. Do you have any specific columns or categories you'd recommend including beyond what you mentioned? I want to make sure I document everything properly in case there are questions later.
Zane Gray
This is a really interesting case that highlights how family arrangements have evolved! I went through something similar when my adult nephew moved into our guest house with his daughter after his divorce. The IRS Publication 501 specifically addresses this - what matters is whether you're maintaining separate households economically, not whether you share the same street address. Since your ex-SIL has his own bank account, pays for his children's expenses independently, and contributes to household costs through services (childcare and maintenance), he's essentially operating as a separate economic unit. One tip from my experience: I'd suggest documenting the fair market value of the childcare services he provides. In our area, quality after-school care runs about $15-20/hour. If he's watching your kids even 10 hours a week, that's $600-800/month in equivalent rent. Combined with his direct expenses for his kids, he's likely well over the "more than half" threshold for household support. The key is being able to show the IRS that despite sharing a roof, you're running two distinct households with separate finances and responsibilities. Keep good records and you should both be fine filing HOH!
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SofΓa RodrΓguez
β’This is really helpful, thank you! I'm curious about the documentation aspect - when you documented the fair market value of childcare services, did you just research local rates and create your own estimate, or did you get some kind of official valuation? I want to make sure we're doing this correctly from the start rather than scrambling if the IRS has questions later. Also, did you end up creating any kind of formal agreement with your nephew about the arrangement, or was it sufficient to just have good records of the services provided and expenses paid?
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Sean Doyle
β’For the documentation, I just researched local childcare rates through Care.com and local daycare centers, then created a simple spreadsheet showing the hours and applying the average rate. Nothing fancy or official needed - just reasonable market research that you could defend if questioned. We did create a simple one-page agreement that outlined the arrangement: housing in exchange for childcare services and property maintenance. It wasn't legally complex - just stated the basics like "Nephew provides approximately X hours of childcare per week and handles lawn care/minor repairs in exchange for use of guest house." Having it in writing, even informally, really helped when I spoke with my tax preparer. The IRS generally accepts reasonable documentation as long as you can show you made a good faith effort to value the services fairly. Your situation sounds very similar - the key is just being able to demonstrate that your ex-SIL is contributing real value that substitutes for rent payments.
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Isabella Ferreira
I'm dealing with a very similar situation right now! My brother and his teenage son moved into our converted garage apartment after his job relocation, and we've been wondering about the same HOH question. What really helped me understand this better was looking at IRS Publication 501, which explains that the "household" test isn't about the physical structure but about whether you're maintaining separate economic units. The fact that your ex-SIL pays for his kids' expenses, has separate accounts, and contributes equivalent value through childcare and maintenance really strengthens his case for HOH status. One thing I learned from my research is that the IRS has actually ruled favorably in several cases where family members shared addresses but maintained separate households. As long as you can document that he's covering more than half the cost of supporting his "household" (including the fair market value of his service contributions), you should both be fine filing as HOH. The key is just making sure you both have good documentation - receipts for his kids' expenses, some record of the childcare hours he provides, and maybe a simple written acknowledgment of your arrangement. From everything I've read and researched, sharing an address while maintaining separate economic households is completely legitimate for HOH purposes.
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Alexis Robinson
β’Thank you for sharing your experience with the garage apartment situation! It's really reassuring to hear about similar cases working out well. I'm curious - when you mentioned that the IRS has ruled favorably in several cases with shared addresses, do you happen to remember where you found those rulings or cases? I'd love to read through them for additional peace of mind. Also, for the documentation of childcare hours, did you create some kind of log or tracking system? I'm trying to figure out the best way to document the 15-20 hours per week my ex-SIL spends watching our kids when we work late. A simple spreadsheet seems like it would work, but I want to make sure I'm capturing everything the IRS might want to see. Your point about separate economic units really clicks for me - that seems to be the core issue rather than the physical living arrangement. Thanks for the Publication 501 reference too!
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