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Just wanted to add some perspective as someone who's been through this exact situation! Three years ago I started a new job and somehow my W-4 got processed with "single" status even though I submitted it correctly as "married." Didn't catch it until I was doing my mid-year budget review and noticed my take-home was way lower than expected. The good news is that you're absolutely right to expect that money back when you file. I ended up getting about $2,400 more in my refund than usual because of all the extra withholding. But like others have mentioned, that's money you could have been using throughout the year instead of giving the government an interest-free loan. For dealing with HR - I had success by going directly to whoever processes payroll rather than general HR. At my company, there was a specific person who handled W-4 changes, and once I found her, it got fixed within a week. You might also try asking for the specific form number (it's Form W-4) and offering to fill it out yourself rather than waiting for them to "process" your request. One thing to keep in mind - if you do get this fixed partway through the year, your paychecks will suddenly get noticeably bigger, which is nice! But make sure you're not underpaying for the rest of the year. The IRS wants fairly even payments throughout the year, so if you've been overpaying for months and then underpay for the remaining months, you might want to adjust accordingly.

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This is such valuable real-world experience, thank you for sharing! The point about going directly to payroll instead of general HR is brilliant - I've been getting bounced around between different HR people who probably don't even handle W-4 changes. And $2,400 extra refund definitely shows how much can add up over a year! Your comment about underpaying for the rest of the year once it's fixed is something I hadn't even thought about. So if I get this corrected say halfway through the year, should I be concerned about owing money at tax time instead of getting a refund? Or does the overpayment from the first half usually balance out the underpayment from the second half?

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Great question! In most cases, the overpayment from the first half of the year will more than balance out any underpayment from the second half, especially if you've been overpaying for several months already. The IRS generally looks at your total withholding for the entire year compared to your actual tax liability. When I had this situation, even after my paycheck withholding was corrected to the proper "married" rate, I still ended up with a refund because those first 6 months of overpayment created such a big cushion. The key is that you've already been paying at a much higher rate than necessary. That said, if you're really concerned about it, you could always ask payroll to withhold just slightly more than the standard married rate for the rest of the year to be extra safe. But honestly, unless you have other major tax changes (like significant investment gains), you'll probably still come out ahead overall. The peace of mind of having the correct amount withheld going forward is worth it either way!

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LunarEclipse

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I went through almost the exact same situation last year! Started a new job and somehow ended up with single withholding despite being married for 4 years. The frustration with HR is so real - it took me almost a month to get it sorted out. Here's what I learned: You're absolutely not going to get in trouble with the IRS. The withholding status is just an estimate for your employer, but when you file your actual return, you'll use your correct marital status. I ended up getting about $1,800 more in my refund than expected because of all the excess withholding. For the HR issue, what finally worked for me was bypassing the general HR contact and going straight to whoever handles payroll processing. I also put my request in writing via email so there was a paper trail. Something like: "I need to submit a corrected W-4 form to change my withholding from single to married. I can complete the form myself if you provide it. Please confirm when this change will take effect on my paychecks." The silver lining is you'll get all that money back with interest (well, without interest, but still!). Just make sure to get it fixed soon so you're not giving the government any more free loans than necessary.

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This is exactly what I needed to hear! The paper trail idea is brilliant - I've been doing everything over the phone and through casual conversations, which probably explains why nothing has been getting done. Having it in writing with specific requests and timelines makes so much sense. I'm definitely going to try the direct approach you mentioned. Do you happen to remember how long it took for the withholding change to actually show up in your paychecks once payroll finally processed it? I'm wondering if there's typically a delay of a pay period or two, or if it usually takes effect right away. Also really reassuring to hear about your $1,800 refund! Even though it's frustrating to have been overpaying all this time, at least there's a nice chunk of money coming back. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's so helpful to hear from someone who went through the exact same thing!

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Paolo Rizzo

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Just went through this exact same situation with Navy Fed last month! They held my refund for the full 5 days which was super stressful since I had rent due. What I learned from talking to multiple reps is that they're required to hold government checks over a certain amount, but the actual release timing can vary. Mine cleared on day 4 around 2pm even though they kept saying "up to 5 business days." The key thing that helped was calling every day to check status - not to be annoying, but because different reps sometimes have different info about when holds might be released early. Also make sure you're checking your account multiple times throughout the day since the funds can drop at random times. Hang in there - I know it's frustrating but it will clear! šŸ™

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Thanks for sharing your experience Paolo! It's really helpful to hear from someone who went through the full 5 days. I'm on day 2 right now and getting pretty anxious about it. Your tip about calling daily to check status is smart - I hadn't thought about different reps potentially having different info. Definitely going to start checking my account more frequently throughout the day too since you mentioned funds can drop randomly. Really appreciate you taking the time to share what worked for you! šŸ™

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Luca Russo

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Been through this exact same thing with Navy Fed multiple times! The 5-day hold is definitely their standard policy but I've noticed it usually clears faster in practice. What's helped me is setting up account alerts so I get notified the moment funds are available - sometimes they release holds at weird hours like 3am or during lunch. Also if you're really in a bind, Navy Fed sometimes offers small emergency loans to established members while waiting for deposit holds to clear. Not ideal but could help if you have urgent bills. The waiting game sucks but from everyone's experiences here it sounds like day 3-4 is pretty typical even with the 5-day policy. Stay strong! šŸ’Ŗ

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Isn't this covered under Section 195 for startup expenditures? That's what I've used in the past when filling out the 4562 for similar costs.

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Ethan Davis

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Section 195 only applies to startup costs before you're actively in business. For established partnerships dealing with loan costs for property acquisition, Section 163 is generally more appropriate since these are considered business interest expenses.

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Based on the discussion here, it sounds like Section 163 is the right approach for your loan acquisition costs. I went through something similar last year with our partnership's commercial property financing. One thing to double-check though - make sure you're distinguishing between different types of loan costs. Some costs like appraisal fees or environmental assessments might need to be capitalized into the property basis rather than amortized separately. The true financing costs (origination fees, points, etc.) are what go on the 4562 under Section 163. Also, just as a heads up, if any of those loan costs were paid by the seller on your behalf, those typically get added to your property basis instead of being amortized as financing costs. The IRS can be pretty specific about how these different costs are treated, so it's worth reviewing exactly what's included in your total. Good luck with the filing! The 4562 can be tricky but once you get the right code section it's much more straightforward.

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This is really helpful clarification! I hadn't thought about the distinction between different types of loan costs. In our case, we have origination fees, points, and some legal fees that were directly related to securing the financing. But we also had an appraisal and environmental assessment that you mentioned. So just to make sure I understand - the origination fees and points would go on Form 4562 under Section 163 and be amortized over the loan term, but the appraisal and environmental costs would be added to the property's basis instead? That makes sense from an accounting perspective since those costs are more about the property itself rather than the financing. Thanks for pointing that out - I was planning to lump everything together which could have been a mistake!

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Monique Byrd

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This is absolutely a payroll error that needs immediate attention. What you're describing is unfortunately more common than it should be with small businesses that don't have dedicated HR or payroll expertise. Here's what's happening: your employer is incorrectly deducting their required contributions from YOUR paycheck instead of paying them separately as required by law. Under the Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA), employers must pay their 6.2% Social Security and 1.45% Medicare contributions in addition to what they withhold from employee wages - not by deducting it from employee pay. A few important steps: 1. Document everything with photos/copies of multiple pay stubs 2. Calculate your total overpayment (should be 7.65% of gross wages for each affected pay period) 3. Approach your employer professionally - most will want to fix this quickly once they understand the error 4. If they use a payroll service, the provider should be able to correct the setup immediately The silver lining is that once corrected, you should receive reimbursement for all the incorrectly withheld amounts. If your employer has already issued W-2s showing the incorrect withholding, they'll need to file corrected forms as well. Don't hesitate to escalate to your state's Department of Labor if your employer is uncooperative - this type of payroll error violates federal employment law.

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Norah Quay

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This is really solid advice! I just wanted to add that if you're nervous about approaching your employer directly, you might also consider having a trusted colleague or friend review your pay stubs first to confirm what you're seeing. Sometimes having that extra validation can give you more confidence when bringing up the issue. Also, when you do talk to your employer, it might help to mention that this kind of error could actually expose them to penalties from the IRS if it continues. Small businesses often respond better when they understand that fixing the issue protects them too, not just you. One more thing - make sure to ask for a timeline on when they'll fix it and when you can expect to receive the back pay. Getting a clear commitment upfront can help avoid the situation dragging on for months.

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Ev Luca

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This is definitely a payroll error that needs to be corrected immediately. As a W-2 employee, you should never see employer portions of FICA and Medicare being deducted from your gross pay - those are separate obligations your employer must pay on top of your wages. What you're describing is actually a violation of federal employment law. The employer portions (the additional 6.2% Social Security and 1.45% Medicare) are supposed to be paid by your company directly to the IRS, not taken out of your paycheck. I'd recommend taking your pay stubs to your employer or HR department right away. Most small businesses will want to fix this quickly once they understand the error, especially since continuing this practice could expose them to IRS penalties. Make sure to keep copies of all your incorrect pay stubs - you'll need them to calculate exactly how much in back pay they owe you. Based on your numbers, you're being overcharged about $140 per paycheck, which adds up fast. If your employer seems confused about the rules or pushes back, suggest they contact their payroll provider's support team. This is a common setup error that payroll companies deal with regularly and can usually fix quickly once identified. The good news is that once corrected, you should get reimbursed for all the incorrectly withheld amounts from previous paychecks. Don't accept just a "we'll fix it going forward" response - you're entitled to every penny they incorrectly deducted.

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Luca Romano

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This is such helpful information! I'm actually in a very similar situation and have been wondering if I should speak up. My employer is a small family business and I was worried they might think I'm being difficult, but reading all these responses makes me realize this is a legitimate issue that needs to be addressed. One question - if my employer has been doing this incorrectly for several months, could there be any complications when I file my taxes? Like, will the IRS think I underpaid my portion since technically I've been paying both portions? I want to make sure I understand all the potential impacts before I bring this up with my boss. Also, has anyone dealt with a situation where the employer initially claimed this was correct? I'm trying to prepare for different responses just in case.

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Simon White

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Dave Ramsey is wrong on this one. I've been employing my kids in my photography business for 5 years with no issues. My accountant set everything up properly. The trick is making sure the work is age-appropriate and actually needed. My 16yo manages my social media and assists at weddings, and my 14yo helps with photo editing and organization. I pay them market rates, keep meticulous records, and they file their own tax returns. It's 100% legitimate if done right!

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Hugo Kass

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Do they have to pay FICA/Medicare taxes on their earnings? I heard theres an exemption for kids under 18 in a family business??

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Simon White

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If you have a sole proprietorship or a partnership where the only partners are the child's parents, children under 18 are exempt from FICA taxes (Social Security and Medicare). This is a significant tax savings. However, if your business is structured as a corporation (including an S corporation) or an LLC taxed as a corporation, then your children's wages are subject to FICA taxes regardless of age. My business is a sole proprietorship specifically to take advantage of this exemption, saving about 15.3% on their wages.

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StarSeeker

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I've been successfully employing my 17-year-old in my marketing consulting business for two years now. She handles data entry, client research, and basic administrative tasks that I would otherwise outsource or do myself. The key is documentation - I have her sign timesheets, maintain detailed job descriptions, and pay her $16/hour which is competitive for entry-level admin work in our area. What really convinced me this was legitimate was when my CPA explained that the IRS actually encourages legitimate employment of family members because it redistributes income to lower tax brackets while teaching work ethic. The problems arise when people try to game the system with fake jobs or excessive wages. For your tech-savvy 15-year-old, tasks like website maintenance, basic data analysis, or social media management could be perfect fits for a consulting business. Just make sure you're paying fair wages and keeping records like you would for any employee. The tax savings are real - my daughter earns about $8,000 annually tax-free while my business saves on both the deduction and not having to pay FICA taxes on her wages.

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This is really encouraging to hear from someone who's been doing it successfully for a couple years! I'm curious about the documentation you mentioned - do you have her track specific tasks completed each day or just hours worked? And have you ever had any questions from the IRS about it during regular filing, or has it been completely smooth sailing? I'm leaning toward trying this with my son but want to make sure I set up the record-keeping properly from day one.

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