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Our partnership is a Florida LLC with just two of us owning 50/50, and we file Form 1065 which passes through to our personal 1040s. We're a service business with no inventory or W-2 employees - just us and some subcontractors. The way our income works is that each partner gets revenue from direct client billable hours through our individual LLCs, plus we split the profits from the partnership (which is mainly the markup we make on our subcontractors' work). Here's my situation: I had some health issues this year that kept me sidelined for several months. Looking back, I'm pretty sure I didn't hit 500 hours of actual business management time separate from my billable client hours that went through my personal LLC. Do I need to be keeping detailed time records for the material participation test? I'm concerned about potential passive activity loss limitations if I don't qualify as materially participating. For those who run partnerships, how do you track and document your time to satisfy the IRS requirements for the material participation test on your K-1 income?
Hey everyone, I'm in my fourth year using TurboTax Premier for filing and I'm super confused about something on my Schedule E. I just finished my Federal return and something seems really off. For my Rental Properties and Royalties (Sch E), my numbers show a net income of -$13,250. So basically I have a net loss of $13,250 from my rental properties this year. The weird thing is that TurboTax is telling me that I can't claim this loss? I don't understand why this is happening when I clearly had expenses that exceeded my rental income. Last year I was able to claim a smaller loss without any issues. Has anyone else encountered this problem with Schedule E losses? Is there some income threshold or rule I'm missing? This is a significant amount of money and I'm worried I'm doing something wrong or missing out on a deduction I should be getting.
Don't forget to check if your state treats Schedule E passive losses the same way the federal return does! I had a situation where my federal return suspended my rental losses, but my state (California) actually allowed me to deduct them against my other income. Some states follow federal rules exactly, but others have their own rules for passive losses. It's worth checking to see if you can get some tax benefit at the state level even if federal rules limit your deduction.
Wow, I didn't even think about state differences. I'm in Massachusetts - would you happen to know if they follow the federal rules or have their own for Schedule E losses?
Massachusetts generally conforms to federal tax treatment for passive losses, so they'll likely follow the same limitations. However, it's still worth checking your state tax forms carefully because sometimes there are subtle differences. What you should look for in your Massachusetts state return is whether there are any state-specific adjustments for passive losses. Sometimes these appear as "modifications" or "adjustments" to federal income on your state return. The MA Schedule X might show these adjustments if they exist.
This is such a common source of confusion! I went through the exact same thing with my duplex rental last year. The passive activity loss rules are really counterintuitive - you'd think a loss should reduce your taxes, but nope. One thing that helped me understand it better: think of rental losses as being in a separate "bucket" from your regular income. The IRS basically says these two buckets can't mix unless you meet specific criteria (like the $25k exception for active participation under $100k income, or real estate professional status). The silver lining is that these losses don't expire. I had about $8,000 in suspended losses that I couldn't use in 2023, but this year my rental became profitable and those losses automatically offset the profit. It's like having a tax credit waiting in the wings. Make sure to keep good records of these carryforward amounts though. If you switch tax software or preparers, you'll need to provide this information so your suspended losses don't get lost in the transition.
My wife and I bought a house back in 2013 while I was still a civilian. In early 2014, I joined the Navy and we had to relocate across the country. We tried selling our home for about 6 months with no luck, so we decided to rent it out. I have a few questions about the depreciation on this rental property: 1. We moved out in February 2014, but didn't get tenants until November 2014. When would the property officially be considered a rental/business property instead of personal - when we moved out or when tenants moved in? 2. I've been using TurboTax for our tax returns but never claimed depreciation on this rental house. For our 2024 taxes, the software flagged this and suggested I should have been taking depreciation all along. I'm not sure if I need to file Form 3115 to catch up on depreciation or if I need to amend previous tax returns. What's the correct approach? 3. If I catch up on depreciation now, would the IRS give me any refunds for what I should have received in previous years, or is that money just lost? For context, it's a 3-bedroom single family home that's been continuously rented since November 2014. We haven't made any significant improvements. The house value (excluding land) was approximately $135,000 when we converted it to a rental.
Just wanted to add that when filling out Form 3115 for missed depreciation, make sure you're using the right method. Residential rental properties should be depreciated over 27.5 years using the straight-line method. If you're using tax software, they should handle this, but good to double-check. Also, be aware that while Form 3115 lets you catch up on missed depreciation, the IRS only allows you to claim this "catch-up" amount on the current year's return. You won't get back what you could have saved in previous years.
Thanks for this info. How do I determine the value of just the building without the land? The county tax assessment has values for both, but I've heard those aren't always accurate for tax purposes. Should I get an appraisal?
You don't necessarily need a new appraisal. The property tax assessment is actually a common way to determine the building-to-land ratio. If your tax assessment shows the building is 80% of the total value and land is 20%, you can apply that same ratio to your purchase price. Another approach is to use the values from your closing documents or homeowner's insurance policy, which often list the replacement value of the structure separate from the land. Just make sure to document your methodology in case of an audit.
Don't forget about the year of disposition too! The year you convert a property back to personal use or sell it has special depreciation rules. You generally only get half the annual depreciation in the year you place it in service AND in the year you dispose of it (the "mid-month convention").
I thought the half-year convention only applied to certain types of business property, not residential rentals? Aren't rental properties subject to the mid-month convention instead?
You're absolutely right @ac6dc0772264! Residential rental properties use the mid-month convention, not the half-year convention. For residential rentals (27.5 years), you get a partial month's depreciation in the first month you place it in service and in the month you dispose of it. So if you started renting in November, you'd get 1.5 months of depreciation that first year (November and half of December). Thanks for catching that - it's an important distinction that could affect the Form 3115 calculations.
Filed my taxes back in Feb but still no refund in sight. Tried checking my transcripts online but they're totally blank/N/A for 2024. Frustrating af! Is there any way to figure out what cycle I'm in when the transcripts aren't showing anything? I'm new to US taxes (2nd yr filing) and really need this $ soon. Already tried calling IRS but can't get thru to anyone. Any tips on how to track where my return is in the process? TIA!
I filed on February 2nd and my transcripts were blank until March 29th. Called the IRS on March 15th and they couldn't tell me anything useful. Just the standard "allow 21 days" response. Then suddenly on March 29th everything updated at once and I had my refund on April 3rd. The system is frustratingly opaque this year - worse than 2023 for sure. My advice is to just keep checking Friday mornings, as that's when most updates happen.
Hey there! I totally get your frustration - the waiting game with blank transcripts is the worst, especially when you really need that refund. I went through something similar last year as a newer filer too. Since you filed in February and it's now March, you're likely still in the normal processing window, even though it feels like forever. The blank transcripts just mean your return hasn't been assigned to a processing cycle yet - think of it like being in line at the DMV but not knowing what number you are. A few things that might help while you wait: โข Keep checking WMR (Where's My Refund) - if it shows "received" that's at least confirmation they have your return โข Try checking Friday mornings since that's when most transcript/WMR updates happen โข Make sure your return was actually accepted by your tax software (not just submitted) โข If you claimed EITC, CTC, or ACTC, those automatically take longer due to PATH Act holds The good news is once things start moving, they usually move pretty quickly. Hang in there - you should see some movement soon! ๐ค
So I'm kinda freaking out because I'm not going to have all my tax documents together by April 15th. My freelance work has been a mess this year and I'm still waiting on some 1099s from clients who are taking forever. I'm thinking about filing an extension through TurboTax since I already use it, but I'm confused about what that actually means. Does the extension just give me more time to submit the paperwork or do I also get extra time to pay what I owe? I'm worried because I think I'm going to owe quite a bit and I need a bit more time to get the funds together. Has anyone done this before? What exactly happens when you file an extension through TurboTax?
Anyone know if there's a fee for filing an extension through TurboTax? I remember a few years ago they tried to charge me extra for this but I'm not sure if that's still the case.
Filing a federal extension (Form 4868) is actually free through TurboTax or directly through the IRS. What TurboTax might charge for is filing a state extension, depending on which state you're in. Some states automatically grant extensions if you get a federal one, but others require separate filings.
Just want to add from my experience - when you file an extension through TurboTax, it's super important to be as accurate as possible with your estimate even if you don't have all your documents yet. I learned this the hard way a couple years ago when I way underestimated what I owed and got hit with penalties even though I had filed the extension properly. What helped me was looking at my previous year's tax return and adjusting based on any major changes in income. If your freelance work was similar to last year, you can use that as a baseline and add a buffer. The IRS is generally more forgiving if you overpay and need a refund than if you underpay and owe more later. Also, don't forget that if you made quarterly estimated payments during the year, those count toward what you owe! I almost double-paid one year because I forgot to factor those in when calculating my extension payment.
Hassan Khoury
Has anyone used QuickBooks Time or similar apps for tracking material participation? My accountant suggested it but it seems like overkill for just partnership documentation.
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Victoria Stark
I use Toggl for this exact purpose. Much simpler than QB Time and free for basic tracking. Just set up categories for different business management activities vs billable work. Been using it for 3 years and it's made tax time so much easier.
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Dylan Mitchell
For what it's worth, I've been through a similar situation with health issues affecting my participation hours. One thing that helped me was realizing that time spent on administrative tasks like reviewing financials, insurance matters, vendor negotiations, and even business-related phone calls all count toward material participation - not just the obvious "management" activities. Since you mentioned health issues, don't forget that time spent dealing with business insurance, worker's comp issues, or even reviewing partnership agreements during your recovery could count. I kept a simple daily log in my phone's notes app during my recovery period, just jotting down "reviewed bank statements - 30 min" or "client follow-up call - 15 min" throughout the day. Also, consider the "facts and circumstances" test if you don't hit the hour thresholds. Given that you're a 50% owner actively involved in operations (even if reduced due to health), you might still qualify as materially participating. Documentation becomes even more crucial for this test though.
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